Saswatabanerjee
Partner - Risk Management
Lavika Yadav
Manager-hr
Korgaonkar K A
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Raj Kumar Hansdah
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Dear Team, Gist of circualr dated 1st Apr: -
EPFO to reconcile IW data with FRRO by 30th Jun to ensure 100% compliance, thereafter quarterly
Allotment of Universal PF No. to employees by 15th Oct
Centralised PF settlement process by 1st Dec
Digitalize the pension data in 4 months time
Ensure 100% on-line tranfer of fund by 1st Jul
On-line PF code (employer) allocation in next 4 months time
e-transfer (by employer) from any bank, any branch in next 6 months time
100% e-payment (now only 93%), to beneficiaries by Sep.

Hi Sunder,
Thanks for your post.I have one more query.I have recently joined a company where we have hired some vendors for PF and ESIC policies.My ESIC vendor is asking to provide me the ESIC number of my employees previous company.He is saying that ESIC has a provision that 1 person can not be alloted with ESIC number twice so employee will have to continue their old esic registration number is new company.but it seems irrelevant.I think this term is applicable in PF process if employee is willing to continue his PF number.Kindly clear my doubts.

Both of that is wrong
You need to allot a new ESIC number for each employee that joins.
It does not matter if he has or does not have an existing ESIC number.
If he is to continue with the old number, how do you plan to pay ? You will be paying into the previous company and asking them to credit it to the employees ESIC account ?
I think you definitely need a different consultant to deal with ESIC
About PF, you have to issue a new PF number here too.
The employee will be required to transfer the balance in his own account to the new one

Thank you so much for your reply. Yeah about PF I meant to say that he can link previous amount to his new PF account to.My HR colleague in Mohali is dealing with those vendors who is saying so..I told him that its not correct but He is relying on them as he is saying k it is mentioned on ESIC site.
What to do in this situation

Hi Saswat,
I am also trying to communicate with same vendor regarding this.I will surely let you know whenever I will have any feedback from him.
I just wanted to confirm so that I can have a discussion with him with full confidence.
Thanks again !!!!

Dear Saswata ji, IW means International Workers and FRRO stands for Foreigner Regional Registration Office.
Dear Lavika ji,

In fact, this thread is on EPFO update. But you started the discussion on different issue. You would have asked your query or started a discussion in new thread.

Any away. The discussion in your topic is totally misguiding the viewers.

I would like to give answer to your query as under:

Your ESI vendor is absolutely right in asking you to provide the ESI number of the employees in their previous employment. He is very correct in saying that one person can not be allotted with ESI number twice or more. This is a basic you being HR must know. This is not a new rule or new law.

When you register any new employee with you on ESI portal as IP, you need to click on whether the employees is already registered as IP or not. IF he is already registered as IP in previous employment you need to give his registration number i.e. ESI number and re-register him under same number.

Prior to IT Roll Out also, there was no need to submit fresh declaration form of IP to ESI Corporation in case the employee was already registered with ESIC as IP. Only his ESI number was submitted to the Corporation.

Your comments on PF also are wrong. There is no willingness by employee whether to continue the PF or not. It seems HR professionals of today's ERA need to have basics of Social Security Enactments and Practical Knowledge.

I am very sorry to say it. Today I could not Controlled myself from responding to your discussion and that too, slightly in harsh tone. I have made a practice off late to constrained myself from responding such kind of discussions but this time I could not. My intention is not to hurt you or anybody else but to give correct answer.

Dear korgaonkar k a,
Thanks for your revert.I had started discussion because topic was related to PF and ESIC.I thought that some seniors has started this topic so I should ask my query over here only
Secondly I think is forum is for sharing knowledge and clearing doubts related to HR issues.Anyways if have somehow asked any wrong question I apologize.But dont find fault with all HR of our Era.Also our senior moderators and senior members have mentioned that Its not mandatory to continue old esic number.One more thing I never availed ESIC treatment or never registered in ESIC camp.So I just clarify my doubts.
I did not say that its the willingness of employee to continue PF or not.I said he can transfer PF amount to his new account number by using some form no 13 or 13 A (Ignore if its wrong).
Anyways thanks again for your reply.

Dear Lavika ji,
Thanks for your post.
I too look forward this forum for sharing of knowledge and clearing doubts related to HR issues. This forum is an open forum wherein anyone can express his / her views, whether they are right or wrong. I personally gained lot of things from this forum.
But off late I started feeling that in this forum, the intellectual discussions / queries / responses are very negligible. Most of the discussions are misguiding. Our posts are viewed across the world and we represent the HR Fraternity. This is my concern.
Normally, I avoid crossing any senior member but this time I could not controlled myself. I repeat, at least those HR professionals (not all) who are participating in this forum need to abreast themselves on the basics of labour laws.
I beg a pardon for all.

Dear KK,
Just to make sure i understand what you said :
When an employee joins a new company, he is expected to continue his existing ESIC number, though it has a different prefix.
He is not going to get a new ESIC number as was happening earlier.
So now the company will have an ESIC code, but the ESIC number of the employees need not be having the same prefix ?


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