Experience On PF/ESI And HR Compliances - CiteHR
Mayur Shinde HR
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Mahantest
Manager- Hr, Bangladesh
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B K BHATIA
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Is it possible for a fresher or two years work experience holder to get exposure on all the core hr functions like payroll, PF/ESI and statuary compliance, even when non of the company hire any fresher for such functions anywhere?
Even after having three years of experience there is no scope for appearing for the interview where company requires those skills.What is the solution?Please reply.

Hi Parul
it's not possiable for fresher. because it's two parts:-
1. Pay roll activities.
2. Statutory Complince.
it's requested to you first you joined some where and take part wise know.
regards
Sanjeev P Lal

Hello Sanjeev I would like to differ here slightly...
I would like to say that if the person has complete knowledge about what and how to do the things, there is no reason why can't a fresher do the job?
Whilst I was hired for the Generalist profile, I was a fresher. Knew the theories and was in lack of practical things. Now after 10 months of experience I would say, I am still discovering... There is no end to learning...
Perhaps it would be difficult to cope up with so many things on an individual scale and if the person is a fresher, there may be little more problems in dealing with deadlines.
But I think freshers mean young blood, young people who are just out of college and have lesser family responsibility which means they can focus better at work and can stretch for little long to understand the working....
If a person is willing to learn in stipulated time frame, (at least in my views) there should be no problem in hiring a fresher.
Hope this helped.

hi Ankita,
Your views are good, but may not be correct or rather i would say not applicable for other companies or HR Managers. If some one wants to hire a candidate for such skills mentioned above one would go for a experienced and well know how of the function, as payroll and Statutory are very imp aspects and no error is expected in it,
Yes for freshers, they need to have practical exposure to this, work with someone who is handling such functions for a mid sized organization.

Hello Mayur,

Appreciate your point and am aware that my views may not be acceptable to all. Neither did I expect everyone to follow what I say... I gave my view point...

Apart, when I joined in my boss to asked me the same query, why should I hire you when you don't even have an experience. I'd prefer to hire someone experienced, even if it's just plain 1 year experience...

I do understand that from a Company's perspective, it would be a cost if the hired person is unable to perform and hence I said "Freshers only with proper knowledge, talent and enthusiasm to learn can be hired"

Apart there exists this vicious circle as well -->

Company's view: No Experience --> No Job

Fresher's view: No Job --> No Experience...


Apart, there is no guarantee that a person with some years of experience WILL PERFORM as per your expectation.

Risks are always there. Getting up in the morning and going out for work is a risk to life (especially in today's time when we don't know when would we be hitted by some vehicle or would be blasted in a train bomb blast). But that don't stop us to tie ourselves to homes... We risk every minute....

And honestly speaking if we think that hiring a fresher for some role is a risk, I believe hiring an experienced person for the same role is a risk as well.... Just one thing - What if he didn't perform at your place? Work history proves he worked in the past and was rewarded for same, it don't guarantee he'd perform in future...



If you can understand what I mean to say....

Anyway I very well know these are my view points and I don't expect all to follow those views... Just shared so that it may strike one thinking process...

Knowing about Payroll & Statutory compliance (PF, ESI etc..) is no rocket science for a fresher. It only requires: (i) initially a study of EPF & ESI Acts (abridged editions available in the market), (ii) reference to a number of discussions on these topics in the CiteHR columns (iii) visiting the website of 'EmpXtrack' & other payroll solutions (which cater for statutory compliance as a part of payroll) and (iv) having a trial run of payroll solution (like Free 14 days trial offered by EmpXtrack).
You do need to put in some hard work, but there is no need to attend any organized training, since enough information is readily available on the web.

Dear All,

Here the query is all about why experienced are preferred rather than fresher..?

I would like add my view point here. The hiring process is entirely depends on the Organisational need and HR planning. We cant deny here that every one was fresher before becoming experienced.Hence any fresher required to work from the scratch to gain practical experience. Though we might have 100 out 100 in the academic records but it is entirely different when it comes to practical experience.Hence any fresher should know the job description / profile before applying the job and analytically and logically understand what actual job and employer need.In case of experienced this may take lesser effort to understand the profile as they already have a practical experience.One more point i wanted add up here. normally all MSI and LSI Organisations preferred experience one to avoid or invest less on ORGANISATIONAL SKILL training. The Organisational skill never be thought in any of the academic class. It has to gain from work experience.

These are only my views and hope will think positive on the subject to get more knowledge.

I would like request all forum Member that, " LET THIS CITE BE AS DISCUSSION PLATFORM FOR TO UNDERSTAND " WHAT IS RIGHT", rather " WHO IS RIGHT"

Please feel free to comment on the same as very less people are in the world who can converts negative energy in to positive.

THANKS

REGARDS

MAHAN

MANAGER - HR AND COMPLIANCE

BANGLADESH.

I got my answer, thanks a lot to all of you for sharing your views and its true that when it comes to MSI and LSI merely knowledge is not a tool to get in but the fact is SSI don't focus on PF/ ESI or Statutory compliances. In that case you will not get a chance to learn even there.
Yes, Its a part of HR planning to hire a experienced one in that case only option is to wait for the right time and right opportunity.

My views matters here.....I have 2 years and 4 months experience in HR generalist profile. But I am lagging behind in PF and ESI, As whatever firm I have joined they dont contribute for PF and ESI. So I dont have experience in those. Now Every firm who is coming as a stratup looks for HR generalist as a whole and they want the candidate to have all the experience. And they don't select candidate if you don't have experience related to statutory . SO in this case what should I do, how to gain a very good knowledge in it, so that I can perform well , because of this I have missed many good opportunities in last few months. Only one question do you have experience in this, and my answer is no....cancel.
How could I make them understand that I possess good knowledge n PF and ESI , and I can perform well in it.
Please guide me.
Regards,
Priya

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