Dinesh Divekar
Business Mentor, Consultant And Trainer
V.Raghunathan
Process Industry Consultant / Soft Skill
Shah01ankita
Talent Acquisition / Consultant - Catalis
Couvery
Consultant
Sach_001@yahoo.com
Hr Executive
+6 Others

Hi to all
why hr person in small firms treated like puppets?
All the decision are taken by the management and ultimately we have to handle the consequences. You cann't even suggest the ideas to them. And in return they expect everything from our side.
28th June 2013 From India, New Delhi
Dear Sach,
You could have given little more details like your designation, type of business you are into, whether yours is Pvt or Public limited company etc.
You feel that you are puppet. Then let me tell your my dear friend that every single employee in most of the departments is puppet. You could be in HR and that is why you feel that you are a puppet. Nevertheless, why people become puppet?
Before commenting further you need to give background of your post. Why are you asking this question. Reply is possible when you give complete information.
Ok...
Dinesh V Divekar
28th June 2013 From India, Bangalore
I think we have similar discussion on a different thread as well, please check if it suits your needs and answers your query...
https://www.citehr.com/464131-image-...epartment.html
28th June 2013 From India, Mumbai
Hello Sach 001,
In small organizations whatever the big boss is the law.
Almost all departments would suffer in the same way.
Such organizations seldom grow.
Very few sensible entrepreneurs try to run their organization professionally.
A growth is signified by professionals joining the organizations
and earning a reputation for the way it is run.
V.Raghunathan
29th June 2013 From India
Well, this is a common problem in many small organization but it also depend on the level of the employees. If you are fresher or less experienced working on the junior profiles then you have to follow the instructions however, if something really good Idea you want to share then you can tell to your reporting person.
29th June 2013 From India, Lucknow
Dear all
Mr.Divekar\'s reply is apt. Pls give full details for discussion.
Further management is the final authority to take decisions, then reap the good or bad.
The staff has to give their views, appraise the situation and leave the rest to management to act upon.
Self pity shall make one more feeble ( feeling a puppet).
30th June 2013 From India
Dear Mr. Sach,
Mr V. Raghunathan has already mentioned that the Boss of the firm is the Law and all other employees are puppets. This is true to a great extent in the small or even medium sized company[I won\'t call Organization]in probably all the departments.
Any employee not adopting to this culture is either thrown out or compelled to leave the company.These types of companies do not grow. Hence if you are looking for a bright future find out if you have courage to speak to the BOSS on this issue.Can you convince the BOSS on this matter?
If you fail to do so,find out another organization that suits to your profile.
HR does not merely mean Recruitment/Office-Job Training/Salary/Leave/ PF etc.One of the most important job functions is to do SWOT analysis of every individual in the firm/ organization and train the people to achieve their objectives.
The BOSS must ensure enjoyment of job by every individual employee.
C S Pundlik,
Pune
30th June 2013 From India, Pune
Hi every one, The first sentence in my posting should read as...... Whatever the boss says is the law. The inadvertent error is regretted. V.Raghunathan
30th June 2013 From India
Hi,
Organizations are drived by business need and ultimately profit.
This is business which gives us salary.
You should never feel like puppet because even your boss is puppet drived by business/profit need.
If you try to use some standard way of working every where in all the situation you will always feel your self uncomfortable and odd.
Please try to understand the business requirements and act accordingly.
You should not think you or your 'X' friend in 'Y' company is practicing something and you can also apply the same in your current organization.
Practices and habits should be changed as per business/organization requirement.
Thanks
1st July 2013 From India, Mumbai
I tend to agree with Mr. Divekar.
In any employment a person will be listened to by the management only if ..
He makes visible contribution.......
He has courage to frankly tell the boss what he feels .......
He makes himself indispensable by his work, knowledge, skills.......
He is always mentally willing to quit if he cannot wipe with the boss.....here the need is the key issue.
All the above is not possible to most of us hence the working solution to this is........... to get the responsibility and authority clear, see if it is honoured, give feedback, and then if it does not suit your temperament decide to tolerate as long as you want or quit. But please keep in mind that the next organisation may not be very different.
Regards :: A.A.Pendharkar ::
1st July 2013 From India, Mumbai
I want to add just one line. One does not become a puppet, you are a puppet if you agree to be one.
1st July 2013 From India, Hyderabad
Dear Ronald,

The statement that you have quoted looks absolutely nice but in training seminars or in school education. Practical scenario is quite different.

When poster raised this query, probably he meant "puppet" as "lack of empowerment of employee".

I do not know in which company you work and what is the level of empowerment in your company or how empowerment is defined in your company. However, in the course of my training activities, I have seen large number of companies wherein staffs are suffocating because of lack of empowerment.

In India that culture of empowerment is completely missing. This happens even with the companies where IITians or IIMs are at the helm or even Managing Directors. Decision making is completely centralised and there is no room for taking decisions. Bosses do not want the staffs to grow.

Very senior HR or other professionals, write many things in their blogs. However, how many have written the case studies in their blog on the empowerment in their own company?

American companies have made astounding progress because American bosses do not mind giving authority to their managers. In my leadership training several times this question came up about lack of authority. "Boss is always right" is the mantra for survival. Those who have tried to defy it have you found out what was their fate?

Classic Example: - I once conducted training programme for one healthcare company whose turnover was INR 35,00o million that time. Each participant was HOD of some department and total there were 13 participants. Of these, five where PHDs. The person at the top level of that business unit had VP rank. When the training was in progress, VP kept on calling the HODs in between. None of the HOD could show courage to tell the VP that he was attending the training and keep off the matter till next day. Their continuous movement was disturbing. Finally I asked openly on their movement. One participant quipped "we have to mind our appraisal also". Everybody started laughing.

What is this example? Did VP make puppets out of HODs or not? On completion of the training, HR Head rued VP's behaviour in private and he told that VP is the biggest impediment in fostering the learning culture!

Thanks,

Dinesh V Divekar

I want to add just one line.

One does not become a puppet, you are a puppet if you agree to be one.
1st July 2013 From India, Bangalore
Hi,

Since HR is the support function and not DIRECTLY involved in the revenue generation, it happens that some times it is ignored in the small set up as the primary objective of the OWNER (PROPRIETOR) is revenue generation. Similarly, it is a misconception that you will be allowed to do whatever you want to do if you are a part of large set up / organization as the function of these kind of large organization is based on the vision and the policies framed by the Board of Directors. And not only HR but all the departments / functions have to work in line with such policies.

Every body will agree that HR is the most important function in the organization and can do miracles. It is your challenge to convince your management that your activities will definitely help in the development of the organization. Try to implement some motivational activities (involving less revenue) boosting the morale of your employees, work as a "Business Partner" rather than working as function in ISOLATION and I am very sure that your will management will definitely understand the importance of your department.

Regards.

Shreyas Dave

HR Consultant
6th July 2013 From Oman, Muscat
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