Dear Colleagues,
Here is the scenario: a few employees were excluded from EPF contributions since their salaries were beyond 6500/- by issuing Form 11, and all these years it was fine from both ends (employee and employer). Now, the same employees want to deposit some amount on their own as savings every month through VPF by not having the liability from the employer end.
Is it possible for any employee to contribute to VPF when they are excluded from the EPF account? Is there a way for it?
From India, Chennai
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Here is the scenario: a few employees were excluded from EPF contributions since their salaries were beyond 6500/- by issuing Form 11, and all these years it was fine from both ends (employee and employer). Now, the same employees want to deposit some amount on their own as savings every month through VPF by not having the liability from the employer end.
Is it possible for any employee to contribute to VPF when they are excluded from the EPF account? Is there a way for it?
From India, Chennai
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Dear, He would be not eligible for deduct VPF because his name not registerd in EPFO.
From India, New Delhi
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From India, New Delhi
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There is no voluntary contribution to PF by employee alone. Varghese Mathew
From India, Thiruvananthapuram
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Dear Balkrishna ji, Excluded employee is not a member of EPF. An employee who is not a member of EPF, he can not contribute towards PF including VPF. VPF is available to member of EPF only.
From India, Mumbai
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From India, Mumbai
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Dear Kumar ji,
Can you please elaborate on how you have done it?
For an employee who is not a member of PF, this means PF - member share is Nil, employer share is Nil. How did you effect the deduction towards VPF and how did you carry out the remittance?
I think you may have misunderstood the query and the responses to it.
From India, Mumbai
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Can you please elaborate on how you have done it?
For an employee who is not a member of PF, this means PF - member share is Nil, employer share is Nil. How did you effect the deduction towards VPF and how did you carry out the remittance?
I think you may have misunderstood the query and the responses to it.
From India, Mumbai
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You should ask the candidate to open a PPF account and make contributions to it That way he can have his savings and at the same time not create a problem for you
From India, Mumbai
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From India, Mumbai
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In my opinion, when such employees are not willing to have liability from the employer, they can invest any amount from their salary in any investment agency, including LIC. The employer can also deduct their contribution and deposit the same in any bank or may form a trust for such employees.
In case the employer is interested in contributing his share as well, he can get permission from RPFC.
Chandok AK
RPFC (Retd.)
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From India, Chandigarh
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In case the employer is interested in contributing his share as well, he can get permission from RPFC.
Chandok AK
RPFC (Retd.)
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From India, Chandigarh
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This means you agree with the contention of Kamlesh ji, Varghese ji & myself.
This means you also agree with the contention of Kamlesh ji, Varghese ji & myself.
There are various investment tools available to employees but not VPF.
LIC's Salary Saving Scheme (SSS) is available subject to certain conditions.
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In case the Employer is interested to contribute his share also,
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LIC's Employer Employee Policy is available in which both Employer & Employee can avail IT benefit, subject to certain conditions.
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he can get permission from RPFC .
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With due respect to you Sir, I would like to ask you why RPFC permission is required and under which section?
From India, Mumbai
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This means you also agree with the contention of Kamlesh ji, Varghese ji & myself.
There are various investment tools available to employees but not VPF.
LIC's Salary Saving Scheme (SSS) is available subject to certain conditions.
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In case the Employer is interested to contribute his share also,
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LIC's Employer Employee Policy is available in which both Employer & Employee can avail IT benefit, subject to certain conditions.
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he can get permission from RPFC .
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With due respect to you Sir, I would like to ask you why RPFC permission is required and under which section?
From India, Mumbai
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Dear friends,
These employees will open a normal EPF account like any other employees and choose their VPF (say Rs. 10,000) as their subscription, but the employer's contribution (they are allowed to vary their VPF only once a year) will be restricted to only Rs. 6,500. Of course, ours is an EPF Trust. (As our Byelaws of the Trust provide for such things approved by the Commissioner, I don't think there is any violation in doing this). I'm not sure if there could be any restrictions in implementing VPF like this concerning non-exempted establishments that still have to remit to the PF kitty to the PF Commissioner's account. You can check that out with the PF Commissioner's office.
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Kumar S.
From India, Bangalore
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These employees will open a normal EPF account like any other employees and choose their VPF (say Rs. 10,000) as their subscription, but the employer's contribution (they are allowed to vary their VPF only once a year) will be restricted to only Rs. 6,500. Of course, ours is an EPF Trust. (As our Byelaws of the Trust provide for such things approved by the Commissioner, I don't think there is any violation in doing this). I'm not sure if there could be any restrictions in implementing VPF like this concerning non-exempted establishments that still have to remit to the PF kitty to the PF Commissioner's account. You can check that out with the PF Commissioner's office.
Regards,
Kumar S.
From India, Bangalore
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Dear Sir,
I was referring to permission of RPFC only in case the employer wants to make an excluded employee a member of EPF at a later stage of employment. In that case, the employer will have to contribute his own share plus administrative charges, etc.
I have given a suggestion which may or may not be acceptable.
Chandok
From India, Chandigarh
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I was referring to permission of RPFC only in case the employer wants to make an excluded employee a member of EPF at a later stage of employment. In that case, the employer will have to contribute his own share plus administrative charges, etc.
I have given a suggestion which may or may not be acceptable.
Chandok
From India, Chandigarh
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Dear Mr. Balakrishna,
The issue was addressed succinctly by Mr. Varghese Mathew and Mr. Korgaonkar. However, the discussion has veered off into various other avenues of savings. In any case, unless your employer is willing to enroll these employees as members and take on the liability of complying with the provisions of the EPF & MP Act, there is no opportunity for them to save through VPF.
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From India, Mumbai
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The issue was addressed succinctly by Mr. Varghese Mathew and Mr. Korgaonkar. However, the discussion has veered off into various other avenues of savings. In any case, unless your employer is willing to enroll these employees as members and take on the liability of complying with the provisions of the EPF & MP Act, there is no opportunity for them to save through VPF.
Regards
From India, Mumbai
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Dear Balakrishna Ji,
I want to clarify that unless you become a member of the PF and both you and your employer contribute towards the PF, you cannot contribute towards the VPF.
I believe HR professionals will agree with me and appreciate the views expressed by Varghese Ji, as well as those who support him.
From India, Mumbai
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I want to clarify that unless you become a member of the PF and both you and your employer contribute towards the PF, you cannot contribute towards the VPF.
I believe HR professionals will agree with me and appreciate the views expressed by Varghese Ji, as well as those who support him.
From India, Mumbai
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IWell, they are not eligible for deduct VPF but if they do not want employer contribution then they ca go for PPF instead of EPF.
From India, Lucknow
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From India, Lucknow
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Dear all,
Please note that PPF is one of the savings schemes of the government which can be operated by any resident citizen of India, subject to the condition that a deposit should be made at least once a year but a maximum of twelve times a year, and it shall mature after fifteen financial years. Partial withdrawal is permitted with certain conditions. It does not have any relation with the EPF or employment except for similar nomenclature.
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From India, Mumbai
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Please note that PPF is one of the savings schemes of the government which can be operated by any resident citizen of India, subject to the condition that a deposit should be made at least once a year but a maximum of twelve times a year, and it shall mature after fifteen financial years. Partial withdrawal is permitted with certain conditions. It does not have any relation with the EPF or employment except for similar nomenclature.
Regards
From India, Mumbai
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Dear friends,
There is a distinction, as you all know, PPF is different than PF. Both are not the same. In PPF, there is no Employers' contribution and pension attached as in every PF account. Let us not mix them. The query is only about VPF for exempted employees, and we shall give our views only about it rather than deviating. We are not discussing all the savings schemes available.
From India, Bangalore
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There is a distinction, as you all know, PPF is different than PF. Both are not the same. In PPF, there is no Employers' contribution and pension attached as in every PF account. Let us not mix them. The query is only about VPF for exempted employees, and we shall give our views only about it rather than deviating. We are not discussing all the savings schemes available.
From India, Bangalore
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