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Thread Started by #Savvio

Is it that only MBA qualified profesional could become successful Managersor even an experienced person could ?
10th February 2013 From India, Pune
Hi Savi,
I can say that the MBA is not only required to become successful manager, in addition it is required experience and time management its place vital role to become successful manager.
Most people became successful manager even then they have not studied also. i can say god will honor hard work and honesty please exercise righteousness.
10th February 2013 From India, Hyderabad
Dear Savvio ji,
Your question, do only MBA qualified become successful ...... ?
Some months back I read one article on Top CEOs in india with no B-School Qualification. I tried to brows it but could not find it. I am sure I can share it with you in couple of days.
There are many successful CEOs / Business tycoons who drooped out in HS or in College. Few names can be quoted. They are : Bill Gates - Microsoft, Charles Culpeper - Coco Cola, Dov Charney - American Apparel, Henry Ford - Ford Motor, Llary Elison - Oracle Software, Ray Kroc - McDonald, Steve Jobs - Apple, Michael Dell - Dell Inc. and many more.
To be successful businessman or business manager, one should have positive attitude, business attitude, learning attitude and wining attitude. One should have 2D i.e. Desire and Dedication.
Todays B-Schools will be a different subject.
10th February 2013 From India, Mumbai
To become a successful Manager one must be a GOOD LEADER and there are lot more skills to be developed. I don’t think MBA is required. With profound regards
10th February 2013 From India, Chennai
I appreciate everyone comments and suggestionsacncy for a senior level position. then why is it made mandatory for MBA qualified when there is a v
10th February 2013 From India, Pune
Dear Savvio, I do agree with both Akanoray and Skhadir. I feel that MBA should be preferred rather required. Moreover, to gain COMPETENCY skills and experience are the required attributes.
11th February 2013 From Bangladesh
Dear Savvio,

Most of us mistake learning and qualification are synonyms. Acquiring qualification does not necessarily imply learning. Learning is a continuous process and depends on one's attitude. There a number of examples learned men and women with out acquiring any qualification. People like Dirubai Amabani struggled hard to make Reliance Industries empire where qualified people served him for a price. It is ultimately one's attitude, skills and the hard work they put in which is unique and not taught in any university decides the success.

Here is a humorous article I have received some time back which may help us to understand the difference between Qualification and intelligence.

Story of a Cowboy

A cowboy named Mark was overseeing his herd in a remote mountainous pasture in California when suddenly a brand-new BMW advanced toward him out of a cloud of dust.

The driver, a young man in a Brioni suit, Gucci shoes, RayBan sunglasses and YSL tie, leaned out the window and asked the cowboy, “If I tell you exactly how many cows and calves you have in your herd, Will you give me a calf?”

Mark looks at the man, then looks at his peacefully grazing herd and calmly answers, “Sure, Why not?”

The man parks his car, whips out his Dell notebook computer, connects it to his iPhone, and surfs to a NASA page on the Internet, where he calls up a GPS satellite to get an exact fix on his location, which he then feeds to another NASA satellite that scans the area in an ultra-high-resolution photo.

The young man then opens the digital photo in Adobe Photoshop and exports it to an image processing facility in Hamburg , Germany. Within seconds, he receives an email on his iPhone that the image has been processed and the data stored. He then accesses an MS-SQL database through an ODBC connected Excel spreadsheet with email on his iPhone and, after a few minutes, receives a response.

Finally, he prints out a full-color, 150-page report on his hi-tech, miniaturized HP LaserJet printer, turns to the cowboy and says, “You have exactly 1,586 cows and calves.”

“That’s right. Well, I guess you can take one of my calves,” says Mark.

He watches the young man select one of the animals and looks on with amusement as the young man stuffs it into the trunk of his car.

Then Mark says to the young man, “Hey, if I can tell you exactly what your business is, will you give me back my calf?”

The young man thinks about it for a second and then says, “Okay, why not?”

“You’re a Consultant”, says Mark.

“Wow! That’s correct,” says the man, “but how did you guess that?”

“No guessing required.” answered the cowboy. “You showed up here even though nobody called you; you want to get paid for an answer I already knew, to a question I never asked. You used thousands of dollars worth of equipment trying to show me how much smarter you are than I am; and you don’t know a thing about how working people make a living – or about cows, for that matter. This is a herd of sheep. ….

Now give me back my dog.

Moral: All Qualified are not intelligent and an intelligent not necessarily be qualified.

11th February 2013 From India, Hyderabad
Dear Savvio,

Hope your weekend was Great!!

There is a proverb in English.

if you give value to something , something will come to your life.

Ex: if you give value to friend, friend will come to your life.

same thing with MBA, there are approx 1+ Lakh Students are coming out of colleges yearly with certificates and hardly any works on Skills that they learnt during MBA....like Business intelligence, backward integration, MIS, motivation, team building,analytics, etc...

but a person with good work exposure and learning will be a better Manager compare to MBA person.

But your Frustration towards MBA people would be :

The company where you applied for a job would have been expecting MBA people to do that Job because they don't need to teach everything to handle a new client.

if you take me as an example- i am an MBA mark Guy , i have 6 yrs exp, but struggling hard to make use of My MBA, all the companies i get to work don't need an MBA, JUST a bag, bike, petrol and catalog. No need of any skill, just work like a Donkey.

So control your frustration towards MBA's and develop your will to that strong, when ever you see an Double degree person, just think you are too far better than him/her.

Good day!
11th February 2013 From India, Bangalore
Dear Savvio

You don’t have to be a Harvard or IIM graduate to be successful. Good business schools matter; but going to them is no guarantee for success. Successful business leaders are not a customised product coming out of the assembly line of universities, Indian or Foreign.

Shrewd and knowledgeable moves are acquired from experience as many successful business leaders have proved. Business experiences do not allow one to make mistakes; but experience is gained by making mistakes. Basic requirement of a businessman is the ability to foresee future, dynamism, motivation and the ability to involve others in their dream to success. A deep desire to create something new and exceptional is a key factor. Initiative is a combination of three qualities namely courage, self confidence, and decisiveness. Initiative is a capacity for assuming responsibility for starting and doing things with little or no guidance.

Initiative, Courage, Wisdom, Passion and attitude are not taught in any school. Some things only life can teach you not business schools. Business school teach you case studies. But qualities such as vision, focus, passion, attitudes, self belief, willingness to accept risks, willingness to accept uncertainties and creativity are difficult to learn. Formal education in management helps to channelize these qualities and is high in knowledge. Skills are invariably developed through practice. Training in business helps one achieve goals more effectively and efficiently. This is not to say that an MBA degree is useless. Management schools have produced some great business managers world wide. But all students who have acquired MBA degree have not become great business managers.
11th February 2013 From India, Bangalore
It is not necessary for a
good manager to have an MBA.
In fact for senior positions,hands on managerial experience is desired.
Also sorry to say that the standard in some b-schools, is poor-in areas of encouraging innovation,creative thinking and above all,in building leadership skills.
11th February 2013 From India, Hyderabad
Dear Savvio,

Others have given you good views on why or why not MBA's etc. Hence, let me raise a few questions and make general appeal to all members.

May we know what prompted you to raise this question? Are you a frustrated MBA like one of the respondents or are you considering doing an MBA?

I take this opportunity to say that we should give a scenario, while asking a question. Then we will get a precise answer. For example, if the question was "Isan MBA required to start an enterprise and succeed?" the answer would be not necessarily as examples quoted in the various responses indicate. However if the question was "Is an MBA required to get into managerial positions in MNCs?", then the answer would be may be depending upon the network one has created and upon the qualification of the boss one will be working for. For example, if the boss himself/herself has no MBA, then he/she may prefer one without an MBA. I know of cases, where the boss was a member of IEE (Institute of Eelctrical Engineers, UK) and he appointed one who was also a member and who did not know much about semiconductors. Similarly, Cambridge University qualified bosses prefer candidates from that university.
11th February 2013 From United Kingdom
Hi Dear,
MBA is not manadatory for becoming Good Manager.
you need to have Management skills, analytical mind, people oriented mindset.
MBA just nurures your present skills and adds some new skills.
It is kind of scietific training for aspiring managers.
11th February 2013 From India, Mumbai
Dear Savvio,

I fully agree with every one that MBA is not necessary to become a Good Manager, experience counts. Savvio I would like to ask you a question? when you go to buy something and you get some thing free with it , will you not be happy? Most of us feel nice about such offers.

Today there are lacs of MBA graduate's, and for any opening in an organization there are end number of people applying for the said post. The supply exceeds the demand, so the organization can choose from the lot. The selector will see the experience, qualification and salary. When for the same money they are getting a qualified person then why not hire him or her.

Savvio today it is the market demand, so why not follow the wind. Education does help you to think in a wider perspective. Try to drive your frustration toward taking the additional qualification, you will feel nice and to top it will be able to full fill your wish of climbing the corporate ladder faster. Please remember there is no age or gender to take up education.

All the best

Regards

Anita
11th February 2013 From India, Mumbai
Dear Savvio,
The MBA is an eye - opener to the world of business. However, as has already been said by some seniors, what is important to the survivor of most businesses is the skills, knowledge, experience, hard work and positive attitude to work. The MBA comes in when we talk about the knowledge of employees but that constitutes about 15% of the factors that make businesses effective while attitude takes about 75%. The rest constitute only 10%. In a presentation I made at a workshop for front line staff of a service companyon the topic ATTITUDE IS EVERYTHING participant really agreed that it does not matter whether a manager holds MBA or not, the Manager's attitude is the most important factor. This goes to explain why some non MBA Holders serving in the capacity of Managers were successful.
11th February 2013 From Ghana
Dear Keshav,
Yes what you say is absolutely true, but remember, mostly this people are the owner of this company or may be the relative of the proprietor. Where their birth destined their designation.
In exceptional cases we may have few people like Dhirubhai Ambani, but when we are talking about majority of the population, then it is must for us to change by acquiring further education or training in order to remain a head in the race today.
This is what I have happening in the corporates.
Regards
Anita
11th February 2013 From India, Mumbai
I endorse and agree with Syboriba. It is the fact POSITIVE ATTITUDE make huge difference besides skills, knowledge, experience and hard work. At times HARDWORK will outperform TALENT if talent is not utilized in the right place, in the right time and in the right manner.
With profound regards
11th February 2013 From India, Chennai
Dear Anita ji,
I fully agree with you, Madam. I realized that my answer to queriest on - "do only MBA qualified become successful ...... ?" is not appropriate. The link to article on 60% of Top CEO....... is also out of context.
My answer to queriest is - not only MBA qualified become successful as Managers. I have seen many non MBAs even non graduates successful as Managers. One should have positive attitude, business attitude, learning attitude and wining attitude to became successful. If there is no 2D i.e. Desire and Dedication, one can not be successful person in any field.
11th February 2013 From India, Mumbai
I would rather say basic / fundamental education is sufficient to become a successful person. I know one of the top most person held Vice President (HR), who was an Arts Graduate. He was a very successful HR person and the whole group companies' HR persons used to get any policy ratified by him. Even Chairman of the company used to ask those HR chaps, whether they had discussed about this policy and its ramifications in details with the VP.

We talk about many things and half a dozen degrees running behind our names. However, the attitute, humane approach, the indepth knowledge and command over his job is what will take someone up and not MBA degree or doctorate degree.

In Today's scenario, an MBA degree is available in street corner. I get a lot of mail that by payment of some amount, they offer "verifiable degree". And more so, these MBA holders emerging from many schools / colleges, can't even converse in English, leave alone their out of box thinking capability and business approach in handling things. May be some extra-ordinary students get placed in good companies. Why we give importance to MBAs. How many SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE you want to see who are just ITI / Diploma holders (who are branch managers also). Come to my company, I will show you.

How many Engineering Students (B.E. / BTech) have conceptual clarity today? A candidate of B.E - Electrical Engineering who scored 93% in his final exam could not say what is Ohm's Law , which is very fundamental in Electrical Engineering. Another fellow, a Diploma Engineer could not solve (A+B)2 formula. I do not know how they passed out. This is what the education system today.

And we talk about preference of MBA / Engineering people to fill up our vacancies, right?

V. Balaji
11th February 2013 From India, Madras
Dear Keshav,

My earlier reply was addressed to the question raised by Savvio, it seems he lost a Promotion against a person having a MBA qualified. If his company demands that, then he should try to get the additional qualification to climb the ladder.

Please read my reply very carefully, I have never said additional qualification is necessary for holding high post it depends on the organization you are working in. Each company have different policy, some give importance to experience and qualification while others give only importance to experience. So as per the situation we have to take a decision.

Mr. Balaji don't you think you have made a very generalized statement. As per what you have stated all the people who have taken additional qualification are good for nothing. Sir I would like to tell you there are good and bad students in all class so on the basis of that you can't generalize and say it is not good to take additional qualification. I do agree there are many institutes who sell degree, but there are equal number of institutes who are well known world wide. And people who clear from this institute's are holding high post across the world.

Even if this people don't get great break, but additional qualification help you to think in a wider perspective. No education done well goes waste. Experience and qualification helps you to perform better.

So don't demotivate people from acquiring additional qualification, I genuine feel you are smart so did not require additional qualification, but all may not have your caliber.

Regards

Anita
12th February 2013 From India, Mumbai
Dear Anita,
If you closely look at the question and the answers given by various people here, one thing you would see the answers are in common that, MBA degree is not required to become a successful person. And I reiterated the same in my point.
I never discourage anyone acquiring any additional degree or diploma for that matter. If they use this additional degree for advacement in their career, let them. But to answer this the fundamental question, whether MBA is a pre-requisite, my answer is straight 'NO".
I also went ahead in bringing to our attention about today's scenario, how these so called MBA degree holders perform in the interview. What I coveyed is true one has to accept this. Leave the exceptional students, these students will always do whether they have this degree or otherwise.
V. Balaji
12th February 2013 From India, Madras
Dear Balaji,
Here we are trying to help Savio to solve his problem and achieve what he desire, not a general debate on what majority of people feel. If he lost his opportunity due to the qualification then he should acquire it. And sir I am an ordinary student and had performed very well after acquiring a MBA degree. But you have to get it from a good institute and give your 100 %. So sorry to say I don't agree to what you have stated.
Regards
Anita
12th February 2013 From India, Mumbai
Dear Anita,
Once again you have misunderstood. You may have MBA / IIT / IIM degree. If someone performs well he will floursih, else persih. Performance and having a degree in MBA or two different things. You need not require an MBA degree to perform.
The core issue here is that qualification is not a 'must' for an individual to succeed. Having a degree or qualification, works like a stimulant. Without this also SUCCESS is possible is what the point you need to remember.
If you have MBA degree and also performed well then you need something extra. If someone has MBA degree and does not perform well, will not get him there. Conversely, someone performs exceedingly well and does not have MBA degree, do we mean to say, that he should be rated low? Success comes only when someone puts in his/her hard work, commitment and dedication. Mere degree will not fetch him anything.
V. Balaji
12th February 2013 From India, Madras
Dear friends,
How dare all you people to ignore, the Late Dhirubai Ambaniji. (Dhirajlal Hirachand Ambani) He was never been to IITsIISc/IIMs/BSs but he built the empire Reliance Industries and handed down to his learned sons Mukesh & Anil now among the richest tycoons of the worlds. He was only a matriculate, started his career as '"bhajias" vendor and was a gas pump attendant at Aden, Yemen. Started his small textile business only with Rs.50000/- in 1958 and how he built his brand 'Reliance' entire world witnessed. There are many like him in India itself. MBA definitely helps but not essential for an enterprising person. On the other hand not all MBAs are successful managers.
kumar.s.
12th February 2013 From India, Bangalore
Dear Balaji and Kumar,
Both of you are insisting higher education is not a must to succeed in life, then do we have thousands of people going for professional qualification? Also tell then why do we send the children to school we could save a huge amount of money by not sending them, and all of them can become as great as Dhirubai Ambaniji.
Kumar if you could have spared and read all my mail you would have not posted your reply.
Regards
Anita
12th February 2013 From India, Mumbai
Hi,

As all of you never fail to give an example of Dhirubai Ambani, do you know both his children are well qualified Mukesh Ambani had completed his graduation in Chemical engineering form UDCT which is now known as Institute Of Chemical Technology, Mumbai. While Anil Ambani has completed his Bachelors degree from University of Bombay and for masters programme he went to University of Pennsylvania Wharton School where he completed his Masters in Business Administration.

Mr. Balaji and kumar. I really don't understand why Mr. Dhirubhai did not insist both of them to follow his foot step in term's of education.

Do go through this link where you will get the details of qualification great people had acquired.

Top Ten India's Business Leaders And Their Educational Qualification

Again I would like to say if you can get a qualification grab it you don't know when it will come handy. Please I am not trying to put any one down, all human beings are intelligent. Even my parents are graduate's, that does not mean they are less intelligent. We have to change as per time, just what is wrong if you can add additional qualification, yes there is no guarantee, for great job, but the way you see at things change.

Regards

Anita
12th February 2013 From India, Mumbai
Dear Anita,
I think it is high time that we ended this conversation. There seems to be problem somewhere in understanding. I have never uttered it is wrong to have an additional qualification or extra qualification. If someone wants to have MBA qualification, let them; some one else wants to have MBBS qualification, still let them. Let someone go for IAS examination.
No parents will be contended to see their children less qualified or less educated. Mr. Dhirubai Ambani will get their children educated in Harward Business School or any other school. This is not the point under discussion.
It is your concept that you need to a have an MBA to become successful person. It is your personal view and let it be. At the same time I have strong conviction that it is not a must, so as few other members. But in the process, do not expect others (atleast me) to purchase your concept.
V. Balaji
12th February 2013 From India, Madras
Dear Savvio
In my opinion to become a succesful manager one needs experience,maturity,man management,time managment ,should be able to handle the the people of different nature and skill.A good Manager is always recognised by the way he treat his team,how he handles the pressure or the mistake if any done by his team member.
Where as any position has to have a minimum educational qualification, for managers it is MBA because it helps to develop the skill one pocess.
A degree in managment is not enough to become a good manager.
Regards
Sima
13th February 2013 From India, Raniganj
Dear Mr. Balaji,
Yes even I would not like to take this further, but just want to let you know that I have never stated it is compulsory] to hold , but it depends on the policy of the organization you are affiliated to or trying to get an entry.
Just one more thing to be clarified, like you even I was sharing my experience as per, the things which I have seen happening in MNC’s and not as you put sell my concept to you or any other individual. I thought all were mature enough to understand this. So you can continue with your belief and let others do the same.
Regards
Anita
13th February 2013 From India, Mumbai
Hi All !!

I was just searching for some information in CiteHR and I came across this topic/discussion here. I was amazed to see those genius responses. I really appreciate guys taking their time and writing here about their opinions.

I do not have to but, let me share this. I have overall 12+yrs of experience in recruitment and talent acquisition. I just cut short my words, it might keep the readers interesting here. From this long years of practice, I have gained great experience and become an expert in my field. Indeed, my other areas of exposure comes with some generalist works like, C&B, T&D, EE etc. However, when I apply for jobs - you know what is the response I get...? You don't have an MBA....!!! so we would not be able to take forward your candidature. It really pains. But, there is always a silver line seen on the cloud. Certainly things have changed now, but it will take some time to show up the results, I got chance to do my CS through distance learning from Harvard College and Massachusetts Institute of Technology from USA. Doing well with my course and I truly wish, I should get a chance to tell all the employers that, education is just a foundation but what the materials needed to build a outstanding building is the fire within you and NOT any degree certificates.

My only conclusion is : As long as you have will of fire to run, no body can stop you in wining the race.

Appreciate your time and energy spend on reading my message...

Good luck...

Blessed Bee
16th February 2013 From India, Madras
Goodfor you. Really pleased that you are taking some positive steps. For the benefit of other readers could you kindly post a link to the course that you are undertaking. Thanking you inadvance.
16th February 2013 From United Kingdom
Dear Savvio,

There are in numerous examples in this thread which say your answer partly... but i have one just example which i heard like a hundred times over and over again.

There was a scholar in a kingdom but he was poor and dint even have nice dress to wear, he wanted to meet the king, but the guards wouldn't leave him in to the kingdom, he tried his best possible ways to meet king but guard wouldn't let him in unless he changes his outlook & attire with clean shave.

Then when he meets the king after he changes his outlook, he asks a question....

Does really attire matter for a scholar or is it intelligence?

Then King answers saying: Its both Because your dress put u in to position to earn trust to enter the court room & your intelligence to Prove yourself.

Here MBA is just an Qualification Mark to earn you an entry to apply for the position.

And i have another answer to your question.

There is something called branding which is most recently been very up-trending subject.

People Become most crucial part of representative's for the company's image, so they only recruit people from the highest qualifications & also other fact is there are certain skill set's which are required to the particular job...so they ask for MBA or Any Certain Specific qualifications.
4th March 2013 From India, Bangalore
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