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Hr - Generalist - Mumbai
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Assistant Manager Hr
You remind me of my situation, way back in 2004. I wanted to change the existing job as the salary was too low and the sector wasnt the one, I wanted to continue for long.
Here's what worked for me, you need to find your own. I shifted from West Bengal to Pune, a city which offered higher salary packages due to the difference in the cost of living. I changed the sector from Service to BPO initially and then into IT within 1.6 yrs.
In the mean while , there was a degree and relevant certifications, added on to my credential.
Finally, all thanks to the credential upgrades, sectoral and locational switch , I received almost 7 times salary hike in following, next 4 years.
Trust you will find your solution too. Wish you all the best !
4th January 2013 From India, Mumbai
5th January 2013 From India, Delhi
This requires great alertness of mind, and a very planned response.
This is an example of how it should work:
you are getting 9000 salary in XYZ co and I am HR manager of this company i will give you two experience certificates one will tell your pay is 18000 and another will not at all mention the pay, that means pay can be declared by the candidate himself.
Once you get into GOOD company and get a salary of 20000 per month your objective is achieved , during background checks etc everything i will help you,
then after two years when you resign GOOD company and join SUPERGOOD company then you need to show that your pay in XYZ Co was 9000 and never show the experience certificate with 180000 salary to SUPERGOOD or any co you join after joining GOOD company, the experience certificate was issued only for a specific purpose and once its achieved then its all honestly till end.
, GOOD Co pay is 20000 and you expect raise of 40%, mainly verification agencies concentrate on previous employer , so if SUPERGOOD company asks verification in GOOD CO they will tell his last pay was 20000 and SUPERGOOD will never ask GOOD from where you came or what was your pay in XYZ co, supergood will directly ask XYZ the verification of experience certificate whether is it true or not, which the amt 9000 is true as since we have achieved our goal no harm in telling the original amount to SUPERGOOD co, and even if your HR manager is not there the truth records will show 9000 only, so in this way you can increase your pay and get a good pay.
No person will believe you that why you should not be paid for your skills , it may be right to tell that most HR / Management people are like HERDS of Sheep / Goat, oh this Co is giving him this CTC we will raise 40% more than that,
All the best, also please dont take any foolish step like faking experiences unless you know how to do it, because even faking is a skill and its not everyones cup of tea, requires great mindwork, which goes above the thinking of normal HR people.
5th January 2013 From India, Madras
Never misguide people by giving fake certificates. Obviously many of us are facing the same problem in India since there is no scale level in middle and small level companies.
As the previous member suggested let the candidate can try in a positive way by pursuing some additional courses to kick start his career with current level.
5th January 2013 From India, Madras
Another point to remember is that - Not every HR Personnel would be the same. There are some who go by MBA Bookish knowledge and then there are others who go by spontaneous dynamic HR practices. I have never asked any candidate in 3years the question "Tell me something about yourself"- because this question is prepared to be answered by every tom, dick and harry & also lucy, nancy and mary. HR personnel should not go by the questionnaire to recruit. Its what potential they see and analyse in the candidate that makes them raise questions and get an indept idea about what the candidate is all about instead of trying to fit the candidate in what they want them for.............................rgrds
5th January 2013 From India, Mumbai
In my opinion I would recommend that you take the 40% hike in the prospective company. Prove your worth in the next few years as you have mentioned that you have upgraded your skill sets and look forward to see if this company recognises potential performers. If it does not recognise your potential then look for a company that offers you pay package matching your expectations and skill sets.
Never ever fudge in your credentials as this could lead to loss of confidence. Yet another aspect that occurs to me is never quit your employment without getting yet another employment. This could be a factor for your prospective company to coerce you to accept a lower salary. They may not have the confidence to give you the hike though you deserve it because in their eyes you may still get the 100% hike and quit the company as according to them your aim is only to enhance your monetary gains within the next few years as you had lost out in the past few years. Moreover, assuming you quit after getting the 100% hike within a short span of time, it will set a sense of insecurity and discomfort for the employees of your prospective organisation as a new candidate was offered a substantial hike (unless your prospective organisation has a policy of maintaining confidentiality of pay packet of employees) while they did not get such an increase.
Hence, my advise would be that you still need not go behind money. If you committed, with right skill set and positive attitude, your employer will certainly recognise you above all other employees. Put in your best in all facets of your employment and you will be rewarded.
6th January 2013 From India, Madras
Yes, there are organizations which pays more than 100% if they find you suitable for their requirements.
6th January 2013 From India, Hyderabad
I would like to comment as follows:
AA. TAKE THIS LOUD AND CLEAR - - IF YOUR POTENTIAL OR WORTH IS RS. 1 LAC, A MONTH - NO ONE CAN STOP YOU.
BB. LIKEWISE, IF YOUR POTENTIAL IS TO SCALE UP - - FROM A SUPERVISOR TO A VICE PRESIDENT, NO ONE CAN STOP YOU.
THE ABOVE HOLDS TRUE - IRRESPECTIVE OF THE FACT, WHAT YOU CURRENTLY DRAW.
Career growth, from an individual perspective, depends on the following:
1. Knowledge or command over the subject.
2. Charisma or confidence that you exude.
3. Your profile - as in, Strategist, Operations, Compliance - - whichever category you fall in.
4. Behavior that you display whilst performing your job.
Having said the above, Let me give you a small example:
aa. Upon self introspection, you realize that your capability is to be an entrepreneur. You will go on to be an entrepreneur. All tumbling blocks that you face in the way - will be resolved one-by-one.
bb. Upon self introspection, you realize that your potential is to be a CEO - - your conscious will work to it and you will be a CEO.
At the end of the day, it is in your hands. Your committed mind leads you to the designed goal.
The above is the optimistic side. Let me paint the other side of the story:
In most of the cases, individuals draw an imaginary boundary and try to confide or be within the boundary. It is this boundary that made you stick to your earlier job for 3 years.
Reputed companies have a pay-philosophy in place. They are not governed by what you draw in your earlier role. They are very much governed by the pay band defined for each grade.
Set your aim for a MNC or a reputed Firm / Organization with systems and processes in place. You will make it.
6th January 2013 From Kuwait, Kuwait
6th January 2013 From Singapore, Singapore
Right now, you have luck by your side and experience too. A continuity of 3 years with one employer structured, a stability for you. This further adds to your employability. A hike in salary will require you to deliver that you may not have managed so far or managed at far lower scale. The upgrade seems timely, make a decision that will make you more dependable than greedy.
All the best !
6th January 2013 From India, Mumbai
job ability , you have every right to assess your worth & demand,
However the recruiter has to be convinced of all these point. You
should never use fake salary certificates / proofs to forward your
point , your ability will speak for you.
Best wishes ,
7th January 2013 From India, Bangalore
Greetings for the day!!!
Me too facing the same problem..Earlier i was working with a small consultancy and a role of Generalist, off course i was paid very less.. I quit that company in time span of 5 months, not because they paid me less, but they wanted to compromise me on my ethics, and what they suggested, does not fit at all in the books of professionalism. Then i was at home around 1 month, got an opportunity, with good profile, but a hike on the last drawn CTC. I am a double post graduate. And now when i look around, its really difficult to get a better paid job with good profile... I now have experience of around 2 years, but feels sometimes, its actually of no use..I need to be more patient..
Anyways, best luck to you... but pls. do not compromise on ethics...asin, do not look for any fake certificates..
I am sure you will get a better opportunity, but you need to be more patient..
7th January 2013 From India, Pune
Hats off to your will and convictions. Essence of an education doesn't lie in the certificates we accumulate, but the person we become.
The pay off of your double post graduation isn't there in the fat salary you should draw. But the difference that you bring in through your work and your decisions.
I quote my Mentor, Samvedan, who said this to guide me "Remuneration and fame should only remain a by-product of what you do, not the result. Your work that you deliver is the result." Stay at it ! Just as you have shared the changes that you brought, please share the projects that you are involved in and choose us to contribute further to it.
Wish you all the best ! You are an honest and a brave girl. Proud to know you !
7th January 2013 From India, Mumbai
compensation and designations should match with human potentialtiy irrespective of current salary, age, role. When potentiality becomes a norm in recruitment. If industrialists and hr specialists agrees this fact. This drastically changes the scenery of the industry resulting in high performars and high engagment etc.
7th January 2013 From India, Hyderabad
Now, the way to break this logjam would be to create a justification for 100% raise (100% raise is NOT the norm so you need to give them a reason to justify it - it is possible but it is not the norm - so you need a justification). As one of the commentators said, add certifications or qualifications or relocate or something else.
Find your own reason.
8th January 2013 From India, Delhi