Industrial Relations
Safety Consultant
Raghuvaran Chakkaravarthy
Environmental, Health And Safety
Ronald Mackenzie
Hr Manager; Organisational Development; Trainer;
Learning & Teaching Fellow (retired)
Agm Ehs And Project Management
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Dear All

As all of you know that in our country even though the safety legislation's are in place, plenty of work place accidents are taking place... Even the government can't say an authentic data on how much in numbers these accidents occurring across the country... In this situation what should be about the compensation of these injured workers, really it's pathetic condition...

Many NGO's across country is working for the uplift of such poorer people... One such leading NGO is People Training Research Center based on Gujarat... The core member of PTRC Mr. Jagdish Prasad is one of our active member in CiteHR... With his idea in the below thread and the motivation of Mr. Raghu, I am starting this new thread...

I will request now Mr. Jagsidh Patel to come forward and show the path forward... if the members of CiteHR is interested to organize for this noble cause, how we can be the reason for the uplift of those poor suffered employees / victims of Occupational health & Workplace Accidents...

I hope if we able to meet this will surely help each of us personal as well as professional growth... We may meet at a common place in each state for the discussion/making an action plan to move further on this noble thoughts...

Looking forward to hear the views/suggestions/comments of other members...
2nd November 2012 From India
Dear Dipil,
Thanks for starting a thread.
We ahve to decide a location to meet.
I think Mumbai would be convenient for members from Maharashtra, Gujrat and Rajastan.
However if any other location is finalized should be ok for me.
Thanks & Regards,
2nd November 2012 From India, Nasik
Comments Posted by PTRC in another thread:

I am so glad that after Ramesh Bahrdwaj's post and subsequent responses, Raghu inspired Dipil to initiate new thread. Dipil immediately acted up on and introduced the thread.We all are concerned about the working people in hotel & restaurant workers in this thread.

S& H of worker scan be ensured by 1. Workers themselves to some extent and has lot of limitations. They can be trained and made aware on what need to be done through pamphlets etc (formal and informal methods and routes) 2. Owners who have a major responsibility. They also may be approached by civil society groups offering them technical help as thy may need. 3. Government also has a responsibility by drafting policy, collect data-publish and analyze them for further refinement on policy or laws, enacting laws, enforce them, prosecute violators and create conducive social environment.

We have no law at the moment giving legal protection to the hotel and restaurant workers S & H at work. Even without law workers can be protected but if law is there it becomes mandatory and make a great difference.

For any campaign we would need some good case studies to start with and I invite one and all to share their experiences.
2nd November 2012 From India
Dear Sir
I am agreeing with your comments.. Mumbai can be one location... Hope lot of members in CiteHR also can gather in such a location...
I will also like to give preference to Delhi... However it's just a suggestion... Lets see who all are coming forward...

2nd November 2012 From India
Very encouraging mails. I am of the opinion that let us start with small area meetings, may be.Can we know the number of our members in different cities-States. Let us also wait for other members to respond and express their views on the idea and then we can plan future moves
2nd November 2012 From India, Coimbatore
Sure I'll be part of our team on this noble cause. I have no issue about meeting spot.
I have few question hope it must be help us to implement the program;
How do we will start our project?
How do we implement our program in future?
How do we connect our people who doesn't have a chance to attend the meetings but willing to join our team?
How do we invite our peoples other than citehr Family?
We need to find suitable name for our program?
How do we share our case studies through our program to others?
One more main thing how do we put light on our program which will make interest to others join in our team?

I have few more question Please seniors feel free to come forward and help us to create a right path.
Thanks for open a new thread and involvement on this topic.
Dear PTRC/Sudhir sir,
Appreciated your interest.
keep on rocking
2nd November 2012 From United States, Fpo
Dear Raghu
I think all these questions can be answered when we able to meet at a location and discuss the things...
My thought only..
I think there are even good NGO's working based at Delhi also... We may take their help or join with them or something like that...PTRC can give more inputs this special aspect... But the thing is how much CiteHR members are coming forward.. Lets see... So far only regular and guaranteed responders come forwards...
2nd November 2012 From India
Dear all, I usually miss such threads where I have no expertise. However, at Raghuvaran's request, I read the contents with interest. I also accessed the web, as my wont, and read a good article at <link fixed>

In another dissertation at

I found the following advice and wonder how many establishments really collect such data!!

" collect data regarding workplace injuries in order to identify activities that may

only result in a moderately severe injury, but have a high probability of occurring. The

information collected for each injury should at a minimum include:

• the date and time of the injury;

• the name of the injured employee;

• the location of the injury;

• the activity being performed by the employee at the time of the injury;

• the type of injury sustained (body part and diagnosis);

• and the direct cost incurred by the hotel as a result of the injury.

I am based in the UK and can part in discussions at CiteHR but not able to attend any meetings, as I cannot afford travel expenses to come just for that.

Wish the group all the best.
2nd November 2012 From United Kingdom
thanks Raghu for the invite. Idea seems to be good but tasks are ahead in cobbling together the like minded friends at a common point as you know the members are spread across globe and many may not have time slot to attend such meets due to their busy job schedule as well as associated cost parameters. all the best.
2nd November 2012 From India, Lucknow
Thank you. Raghu for setting agenda of the meeting. Dipil is right in saying,at the meeting these and other issues may be discussed. For successful intervention emotions only would not work. We need to know how many are active and how many of them may be interested in such a meeting. Rest can be decided later
4th November 2012 From India, Coimbatore
Dear PTRC,
Your're right sir''For successful intervention emotions only wouldn't work''. We will see how of them we will get in our team will wait some reasonable time then we'll move forward with our members whom we have in our team.
'Little drops of water make the mighty ocean'. We'll begin with our team, this noble cause , by contributing our first drop.
Note: In couple of days i'll conform my arrival i should be attend our first meeting with our team.
4th November 2012 From United States, Fpo
Dear PTRC,
Your're right sir''For successful intervention emotions only wouldn't work''. We will see how many of them we will get in our team and will wait some reasonable time then we'll move forward with our members whom we have in our team.
'Little drops of water make the mighty ocean'. We'll begin with our team, this noble cause , by contributing our first drop.
Note: In couple of days i'll conform my arrival i should be attend our first meeting with our team.[/QUOTE]
4th November 2012 From United States, Fpo
Dear Friends
First of all let me thank Mr. Dipil for initiating the thread and Mr. Raghu to make everyone get involved in this discussion.
In India there are many Acts/Rules available for regulating every activity. But the problem is in implementing the same in the concerned area. Normally in Restaurent and Kitchen area the accidents are of Burn type injuries only. The Hotel industry must have the tie up with nearer Hospital where the Burn Injuries are treated to safeguard the life of the victim.
While discussing with the Factories Inspector at Surat, he informed that the 75% accident victims are newly employed and engaged in the work within the period of 2 months due to ignorance of safety norms. Whatever accidents happening after 2 months services are due to gross negligence of Safety norms.
I also will join my hands (eventhough I am not a safety professional) for this noble cause at Chennai Group.
5th November 2012 From India, Kumbakonam
When a safety practitioner becomes aware that an employee, contractor, volunteer or even a visitor sustains a serious injury or dies (for whom your employer is responsible) be mindful that if you conduct an investigation your report (and any findings or recommendations etc) may not be subject to professional legal privilege in a subsequent court hearing.
I suggest immediately contacting your employer's insurer who may be able to arrange an investigator to conduct a thorough investigation. They can release their report to the employer’s lawyer, which may include findings, recommendations fault/s, etc etc. You are therefore protected while your actions are professionally managed
You can therefore manage and drive safety improvements to prevent further lost time injuries
Regards, Ron
6th November 2012 From Netherlands
Quote of Factory Inspector at Surat is interesting. They have all the data collected and they can analyze and publish their findings. But they do not do that and just fly such statements. I do not buy this as it has no basis. I collect newspaper clippings all round the year from the news paper I buy- Guj daily Divya Bhaskar and Indian Express. A volunteer from Surat regularly collects clippings from the dailies published from Surat and send me. I collate them and prepare a write-up for my Guj bimonthly magazine.Right now I am in process of analyzing data for last 5 years. I have been collecting clippings since 1989. My overall impression for fatal accidents in Gujarat,particularly Surat is, majority of those who died are young migrant workers and minority. There is lot of work waiting for those who are genuinely interested in reducing pains
7th November 2012 From India, Coimbatore
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