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In the month of Ramjan its quite common most of the Muslim staff will come late and go early due to their fasting and prayer. More over even in lunch time few will go for prayer. Those cases we should exclude. We can't restrict on humanitarian base. Except this month they may come early and work bit late too and why do we wanna bother for this particular month for late coming and going early.
25th July 2012 From India, Bangalore
Its true that we should give flexibility for religious belief wherever possible but at the same time ensure that employees should not misuse it.
I also got the similar request from my staff. what we did is made their timing (upto 1 hr) flexible but they are required to ensure total 8 hrs of working. And if they are not taking any lunch or tea break you can also adjust them.
25th July 2012 From India, Delhi
But you know wat happening...We work from 6.30 Pm - 3.30 Am (on IST)
my staff are coming at 8.30 & going at 3 o clock (morning) (they are not covering any extra hours)..& My manager in US was not quite happy about it...So i really need to work on it...
25th July 2012 From India, Hyderabad
25th July 2012 From India, Madras
What your staff is telling is correct--Iftar food is taken only between 7.30 PM & 4.00 AM [in the nights--basically AFTER Sunset & BEFORE Sunrise i.e.].
This topic was also discussed recently by others--Link below.
Since you say that your company is into US staffing, you would be having a 5-day week. Also, I am sure there would be off-line work involved [when they don't need to talk to anyone in the US]. Why not ask them to work for some hours on Saturdays/Sundays also in the Ramzaan month--to be utilized for all off-line work [i.e. IF they REALLY want to say their Prayers]? This would also need a greater amount of planning & co-ordination between your office & the US-end--but that would be better than loosing so many man-days.
All the Best.
25th July 2012 From India, Hyderabad
Every eligion has its own peculiarities and organisation can not devise flexible rules for all religions.
In my early schooling days, Amavasya used to be a day where schools will start at 11 am instaed of 9.30 am This practice has disappeared now
If you want to devise flexible rule, then takeinto consideration the requests that could come from other religions as well
25th July 2012 From India, Chennai
But in reality they (Muslim) they break their fast at around 7 PM..So they want to start at 8 &
In morning they should have their by 4 AM,so cant ask them to stay longer & cover their hours..
I said the same to my manager,even he dont know wat to do..He wants me to work on...
26th July 2012 From India, Hyderabad
If you want to give special consideration then discuss with your management -- as its a policy matter and I think you being at junior level may not be able to take decision.
Once the decision is taken please communicate it clearly to these employees -- they should not take the management for granted.
26th July 2012 From India, Bangalore
I know this problem is there. If majority staff is non muslim then you can even agree to grant some employees a leave & adjust it to their leave entitlement ,for a few hours in this month. Or agree to these short working hours which can be adjusted by them by working extra hours rest of the year, or even both as per the need.
In Mumbai , we do not allow any extra benefit for this period. However, leave can be availed or adjusted as mentioned before, in some companies.
26th July 2012 From India, Mumbai
It is month of Ramzaan & all muslims are very religious towards their religion. They are coming at 8:30pm it is ok because they have to break their fast around 7:30pm. Give them a break of 30 min. at 3:30am & tell them they can bring their food & can manage from cafeteria. You just make arrangement of their prayer like assign a room for namaz. After taking 30 min break they can cover their hours.
We do respect all the religions but management won't suffer for it.
26th July 2012 From India, Delhi
We in India respect all religions, religious sentiment is a very delicate and sensitive affair, as such being rigid in timings may not be correct. At the same time as HR executive you need to raise to your Bosse's expectations also. You can adjust their timings to meet the requirement of the Management by making them understand how you are being pressurised by the management. I have observed every Friday this sort of practice taking place in most places, they take a break on Friday for Namaaz. In normal course they cannot mix such sentiments with their work and working hours, this is India and such things only happen here and you can't take a chance with such.
26th July 2012 From India, Eluru
In my company we too have Muslim employees who are fasting during Ramjan. For maintaining their work timing (Which is 9 hours) they come early in office and utilisize the break timing of 1 hour as a time to take their first meal in office itself. For their initiative we have arranged a place also where they can have their Namaz and later have their meal within those 1 hour.
26th July 2012 From India, Kolkata
In my opinion what Nisha Sharma has said is very appropriate. Fast breaking time (Iftaar) in India these days is around 7:20pm and then again next morning the fast opening time (Sehri) ends around 4am. Normally a muslim would need around half hour break during both these times. So, they can come by 8:30pm (or so, depending on their office commutime time), and get a break between 3:30am and 4am, after which they can easily work for those many hours that they would have missed the previous evening. Management need to make some arrangement where they can have their food and offer their prayers (Maghrib namaz soon after their Iftaar and Fajr namaz soon after their Sehri).
Any further queries are welcome.
26th July 2012 From Hong Kong
I accept with some people who have said is correct that as the Ramzan is only the major festival for muslims and they should absolutely be allowed because there may IR problems raised if you don't allow them and you should have meeting on the working hours adjustment if it is so important in your place and adjust the timing for a month so the problem is simply solved and no issues.
26th July 2012 From India, Hyderabad
27th July 2012 From India, Mumbai
I have different opinion towards providing the Place for worship at the work place during Ramzan. This will send a wrong signal to the employees of different faith . In future they may also ask for the same favor.
We can think of adjusting the working hour for Muslim Employees as a special consideration .Nothing more can be done beyond this . As to run a business we should draw a line and should not cross it.We need to be practical
27th July 2012 From India, Bangalore
We have a similar function, where advisors have to take a break off work for Namaz and Fast purpose. Usualy they have to work 8 hours of login which includes 1 hour of break for 5 days a week, I in ramzan I give them 6.30 hours shift for 6 days, with two 20 mins breaks, this leads to a loss of only 5 hours on a weekly basis. If you still cant afford to lose these 5 hours, you can ask the non-Muslim counterparts to do OT for 1 hour each, keeping your requirements up. Expectations with the Muslims in such cases are kept to make them understand that such co-operation will be required of them during Ganpati & Diwali fests. Works for me well
27th July 2012 From India, Mumbai
Please make it an organisatioonal problem in as much as discuss with all of them by explaining the view of your manager and showing concern for the time loss and seek in right earnest a solution from them. Please try to find out a reasonable and leader-like person among them for this exercise, sure some solution may figure up. Please do not hesitate if you have to make a minor concession but as a part of the formal/informal deal.
29th July 2012 From India, Delhi
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31st July 2012 From India, Kochi
But of curse you cannot justify it to your seniors. Moreover I personally feel that one should do justification with job as well along with religion.And 2.5 hrs a day is a lot approx 1/4th of a working day.
I suggest you should keep 2 options open in front of them & ask them to choose one:
1. They should either come early or go late to coverup working hours and can take a break of 1 hr at the time of Iftaar (7:15-8.15pm) or Sehri(3:30-4:30am).
2. They should cover up total working hours in a month i.e working on weekends/late hours once Ramzan is over.
Hope this will solve your problem.
1st August 2012 From India, Delhi
First u tell him or her pls show their ramjam month timing card. bcoz al days timing mention on this card ok
Ur staffs is telling lie bcoz Sehri timing is before 3:30 am and aftar 6:30 pm.
U just consider 30 mint in the time of aftar, lots of people in kolkata city their worked at night shift 10pm to 7am they dnt want any problem.
also u will tell him they carry their foods at office for sehri.
Any problem cal me.........
Thanks & Regards
2nd August 2012 From India, Kolkata
I'm sure you wouldn't mind correcting your grammar, especially if you are in the HR section.
"My Quire was How to Manage my staff working hours in the month of Ramjan"
You actually wanted to say: "My query........."
Sorry, I hope you take no offence.
2nd August 2012 From India, Hyderabad
I guess it's going on too long now. By this time Sushma would have got the answer. I mean, actually, it's very simple - muslim employees can be provided 1/2 hour gap for taking food during their fast opening and closing timings and in return employees can be flexible enough to accomodate the time lost by working additional 1 hour, before or after work hours, or during weekends, as is deemed fit by the employer in consultation with the employees. Fasting employees can bring their own tiffins/food, as they do bring their own lunch during other months, or, the company can provide food, if they provide lunch, evening snacks etc to all employees. I feel it isn't a complicated topic and just needs good faith and small meaningful discussion between employees and management or HR. If muslim employees are given this much flexibility it'll enhance their morale and make them see upon their company as employee-friendly. And, as such, it's justified as they're putting up those many hours and not loosing anything for the company.
On top of this, the month of Ramzan teaches and motivates one to be honest, trust-worthy, and many such good virtues, so in the end the company gains to be having honest people working for it. In fact, every other religion guides people to such good virtues, hence such concessions and flexibility should be accorded to people of all faith to be able to move along with their religious practices that do not hamper others.
3rd August 2012 From Hong Kong