Hello Sajr2,
I have checked the website.
In Indian context, the management runs the companies as per their whims and fancies. Imagine out of vindictiveness they send all the details on the company letterhead, then you will upload the details on company website. This may destroy the career of the employee unnecessarily.
How you will verify the authenticity of the information provided by employer? For some finicky employer restrictedcanddiates.com should not be a weapon.
I say this because during my HR days, I worked under CEO. He was IIM (A). While joining, he had promised MD that he will recover his salary by controlling purchases and there would not be additional burden on salary bill because of his joining. Sooner he joined, he started harassing Corporate Purchase Manager (CPM). Without getting into any enquiry or anything, he just ensured that CPM puts in his paper. I knew CPM for more than year and I knew total injustice was done to him.
Now suppose if the CPM had raised his voice then that CEO would have taken revenge and would have ensured the name of CPM would have been uploaded on this website. This website will accept anything at its face value because it comes on company's letterhead and that too signed by CEO!
In such case what you would get by destroying career of some innocent person?
You have written that "There are blogs by employees that damn companies. So that evens out."
Be it noted that this is a matter between two direct parties, employer and employee. No third party like this website is coming in between. But in this website's case, this website absolutely a third party.
One more thing about this website. In the contact us page generally name of the company and address is given. Whereas in this case just two telephone numbers are given. Why the owners are shying away from from disclosing their names? Secondly, there is no mention about how they will assess the quality of their services.
I am not against the concept of this website per se, however, in India we are yet to acquire this kind of maturity. This kind of concept is valid in developed countries like USA or other European countries.
A smart HR manager can catch fraudster any way by doing proper reference check and does not require all these things.
DVD
From India, Bangalore
7855I have checked the website.
In Indian context, the management runs the companies as per their whims and fancies. Imagine out of vindictiveness they send all the details on the company letterhead, then you will upload the details on company website. This may destroy the career of the employee unnecessarily.
How you will verify the authenticity of the information provided by employer? For some finicky employer restrictedcanddiates.com should not be a weapon.
I say this because during my HR days, I worked under CEO. He was IIM (A). While joining, he had promised MD that he will recover his salary by controlling purchases and there would not be additional burden on salary bill because of his joining. Sooner he joined, he started harassing Corporate Purchase Manager (CPM). Without getting into any enquiry or anything, he just ensured that CPM puts in his paper. I knew CPM for more than year and I knew total injustice was done to him.
Now suppose if the CPM had raised his voice then that CEO would have taken revenge and would have ensured the name of CPM would have been uploaded on this website. This website will accept anything at its face value because it comes on company's letterhead and that too signed by CEO!
In such case what you would get by destroying career of some innocent person?
You have written that "There are blogs by employees that damn companies. So that evens out."
Be it noted that this is a matter between two direct parties, employer and employee. No third party like this website is coming in between. But in this website's case, this website absolutely a third party.
One more thing about this website. In the contact us page generally name of the company and address is given. Whereas in this case just two telephone numbers are given. Why the owners are shying away from from disclosing their names? Secondly, there is no mention about how they will assess the quality of their services.
I am not against the concept of this website per se, however, in India we are yet to acquire this kind of maturity. This kind of concept is valid in developed countries like USA or other European countries.
A smart HR manager can catch fraudster any way by doing proper reference check and does not require all these things.
DVD
From India, Bangalore
Dear Keith,
I don't see why are you vacillating? If he has not responded so far do you seriously believe that he will do so now. Having said that, I hope he is in a position to respond!!
My suggestion to lodge a FIR was primarily aimed at finding the individuals whereabouts and his well-being. I suggest an immediate FIR or police report to locate a missing person. Don't waste time with tentative enquiries. It is quite possible that there is more to this than appears on the surface. Let the police handle it.
Good luck.
Aye.
And by the way my name is NOT 'AYE', which is just an expression. I am Colonel Gahlot (09810081197), Prporietor of 'TRURECRUIT'
From India, Delhi
I don't see why are you vacillating? If he has not responded so far do you seriously believe that he will do so now. Having said that, I hope he is in a position to respond!!
My suggestion to lodge a FIR was primarily aimed at finding the individuals whereabouts and his well-being. I suggest an immediate FIR or police report to locate a missing person. Don't waste time with tentative enquiries. It is quite possible that there is more to this than appears on the surface. Let the police handle it.
Good luck.
Aye.
And by the way my name is NOT 'AYE', which is just an expression. I am Colonel Gahlot (09810081197), Prporietor of 'TRURECRUIT'
From India, Delhi
Hello DVD,
I realise we have gone way off mark. But I am afraid what you are saying doesn't simply add-up.
"Sooner he joined, he started harassing Corporate Purchase Manager (CPM). Without getting into any enquiry or anything, he just ensured that CPM puts in his paper"
Quite a prejudiced statement. Perhaps, the CEO's version would have been that the CPM was plain incompetent. He might have looked at as a serious revenue leakage. Besides, your friend didn't stand up to the CEO but gave in. I gather you were the then HR manager as well whilst the alleged harassment occurred. I am not alluding anything here. Well nobody gives you your right, you got to stand up and fight for it. Meekly running away is also an acceptance of guilt. Btw if you don't stand for yourself who will ?
"One more thing about this website. In the contact us page generally name of the company and address is given. Whereas in this case just two telephone numbers are given. Why the owners are shying away from from disclosing their names? Secondly, there is no mention about how they will assess the quality of their services."
I think you are stretching it too far. They want to keep it anonymous. Do you think you could give me the contact and phone # of Julian Assange the world's biggest whistleblower and the people who work for him. If you cannot provide these details, does it take away the authenticity of the cables.
" Secondly, there is no mention about how they will assess the quality of their services."
Are they obligated to assess the quality of their services just because we are living in an ISO world?
You quoted- "A smart HR manager can catch fraudster any way by doing proper reference check and does not require all these things" Perhaps a smart HR manager such as yourself might not take an entry in the said website as something beyond suspicion and would certainly doubt if you interview a candidate who's name happens to be on the website.
But sometimes the smartness like you said also fails, the CEO slipped through the wire to get in, and wreaked havoc in your company.
Life isn't black or white. It is made up of myriad shades of black and white which gives a unique color such as grey. Remember even if a court of law were to pronounce the accused as guilty, sometimes they turn out to be plain innocent. Even till today, there are horrendous stories of miscarriage of justice even from the USA/UK places where many of us would like to think the judicial system is perfect.
Cheers
Saj
From India, Bangalore
I realise we have gone way off mark. But I am afraid what you are saying doesn't simply add-up.
"Sooner he joined, he started harassing Corporate Purchase Manager (CPM). Without getting into any enquiry or anything, he just ensured that CPM puts in his paper"
Quite a prejudiced statement. Perhaps, the CEO's version would have been that the CPM was plain incompetent. He might have looked at as a serious revenue leakage. Besides, your friend didn't stand up to the CEO but gave in. I gather you were the then HR manager as well whilst the alleged harassment occurred. I am not alluding anything here. Well nobody gives you your right, you got to stand up and fight for it. Meekly running away is also an acceptance of guilt. Btw if you don't stand for yourself who will ?
"One more thing about this website. In the contact us page generally name of the company and address is given. Whereas in this case just two telephone numbers are given. Why the owners are shying away from from disclosing their names? Secondly, there is no mention about how they will assess the quality of their services."
I think you are stretching it too far. They want to keep it anonymous. Do you think you could give me the contact and phone # of Julian Assange the world's biggest whistleblower and the people who work for him. If you cannot provide these details, does it take away the authenticity of the cables.
" Secondly, there is no mention about how they will assess the quality of their services."
Are they obligated to assess the quality of their services just because we are living in an ISO world?
You quoted- "A smart HR manager can catch fraudster any way by doing proper reference check and does not require all these things" Perhaps a smart HR manager such as yourself might not take an entry in the said website as something beyond suspicion and would certainly doubt if you interview a candidate who's name happens to be on the website.
But sometimes the smartness like you said also fails, the CEO slipped through the wire to get in, and wreaked havoc in your company.
Life isn't black or white. It is made up of myriad shades of black and white which gives a unique color such as grey. Remember even if a court of law were to pronounce the accused as guilty, sometimes they turn out to be plain innocent. Even till today, there are horrendous stories of miscarriage of justice even from the USA/UK places where many of us would like to think the judicial system is perfect.
Cheers
Saj
From India, Bangalore
Dear Saj,
The discussion will go on. There is no point in discussing further. When it comes to scams and frauds, employers excel compared with employees. But then you wanted to settle with small fries. No issues.
Secondly, if you are convinced that no injustice will be done to innocent person because of this website there then there nothing to say on your assumption!
Let us close this discussion now.
DVD
From India, Bangalore
The discussion will go on. There is no point in discussing further. When it comes to scams and frauds, employers excel compared with employees. But then you wanted to settle with small fries. No issues.
Secondly, if you are convinced that no injustice will be done to innocent person because of this website there then there nothing to say on your assumption!
Let us close this discussion now.
DVD
From India, Bangalore
Dear DVD,
"Secondly, if you are convinced that no injustice will be done to innocent person because of this website there then there nothing to say on your assumption!"
I don't think the import of my posts throughout is anywhere near to the conclusion that you have arrived at.
However, I fully agree we must conclude this discussion as it has steered considerably away from it's main purpose☺☺☺
Cheers
Saj
From India, Bangalore
"Secondly, if you are convinced that no injustice will be done to innocent person because of this website there then there nothing to say on your assumption!"
I don't think the import of my posts throughout is anywhere near to the conclusion that you have arrived at.
However, I fully agree we must conclude this discussion as it has steered considerably away from it's main purpose☺☺☺
Cheers
Saj
From India, Bangalore
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