Santosh_Nayak
Asst. Manager Hr In A Construction Mnc
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is employee development and human resource development are same
12th April 2012 From India, Bangalore
Most amusing. That's one reason I keep coming back. I find such inquiries entertaining and yet pitiful.
You are constantly being suggested to that there is something you need to know. Why don't you simply use your common sense. We all have that in equal measure.
Think. Please!
12th April 2012 From India, Ghaziabad
Hi Venijen,

There is no good difference between employee development and human resource development.

Employee development is the traditional term where as human resource development is the developed or advanced term.

It is simple, I suggest you to go through the history of labour, you understand it better. The meaning of employment is hiring an individual for the work to be done and paying them for the work done by them. so employee is the individual who work and take the wages or salary.

previously, the individuals used to be treated like the machines, just considering as workers/labourers, they were being exploited, no emotional response was given to them.... do you observe any such environment today, no! right? the employees or workers are no more treated like machines... it is because now we consider them as human RESOURCE, ASSETS of organization... because we believe they are the RESOURCES, they possess skills, expertise, knowledge we request them to pool it in the organization, it no more just a manual/physical work, but the mind too.......

so hence, we have considered HUMAN RESOURCE is more apt than Employees/workers

Hope now you are able to understand that employee development (traditional term) and human resource (advanced term) development has no good difference between them.........

But, yes, when it comes to the development of INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEE we tend to call it EMPLOYEE Development, or development of individual employees, after all just one can not form the whole Human resource......... so, I can say only there lies the difference........

Still any confusions, be open to ask questions, one or the other surely clear your confusion rather just being rude........

wish you good luck........

Regards,

BSSV
13th April 2012 From India, Bangalore
It is this type of do-gooders that create a dependency culture. I have tried to encourage bloggers to learn by searching rather than giving answers on a plate.
13th April 2012 From United Kingdom
Oh, great!! Keep up............

but that is what you think and want to do, opinions always differ, that is your style of encouragement, but my style of encouragement is not showing the stars, but to give the ladder.......... if you have considered it a lift, I am not responsible for your assumptions... you seem to have created literature without learning alphabet from any one!!...

All are not like you, foundation is always necessary, you need to know, his question implies that he is new to HR stuffs, or may be from different back ground, your encouragement in your own imagination make no sense, come out and understand the position of such people who ask such questions!! basics...!! but, yes, once after the foundation being laid and he fails to do his work then no point, interest must come from within, these days no one need to teach any one to open google, understand why he is asked the question first, think beyond your capacity, all are not experts in all.........

well, I really appreciate your way of thinking :-), though not completely accepted.....

Good day too....

Regards,

BSSV
13th April 2012 From India, Bangalore
I recently had a chat with my new recruits in the HRD
when asked question about few things they were so proud to answer i got the answer from Cite Hr Seniors and that helped them to do research later they were true.
so lot of dogooders help to increase the quest for knowledge..... they give foundation for searching answers
lets not criticise or comment on people who help instead encourage them to do better
P.S. offence to no one
14th April 2012 From India, Madras
Hats Up U BSSV Sir.......... Positive words will encourage the new comers to ask question......... We should not hesitate to ask to seniors......... Thanks U Regards Santosh
14th April 2012 From India, Calcutta
#Anonymous
Dear Sir, Employee development is a part of human resource development just like Body and soul.This has a wide explanation to understand categorically and feel the effect.
14th April 2012 From India, Delhi
Hi All,
It's better for all of us to give positive feedback to Venijen. You are not encouraging him, but you're demotivating him.
Venijen, try google by searching the definition of employee dev and HR DEV. Then, compere the definition, You'll get a clear explanation of what you want to know.
14th April 2012 From Niger
Hearty thanks...
I respect everyone's viewpoint, but we must never argue upon opinions but the facts ...... So let us just drop the issues which include dogooders, demotivation, comparisons....... I believe I am a learner here, not a commenter, so I respect all who help me to learn rather encourage me to comment on others' efforts for their replies/viewpoints........
Have a nice time.......
Regards,
14th April 2012 From India, Bangalore
I hope some experts can help the person with the query at I know I am digressing away from the topic. It is to flag the request for those that might not have seen.
14th April 2012 From United Kingdom
Hi Venijen,
I think employee development and HR development are not different. As we know employees are one of the main resources in the organization so its very important to develop the employee's skill as individual and as a team member. And that's why performance appraisal process,training and development etc (part of HR management) are there in the organization. Hope my reply will make you satisfy. If still you have any doubts please share with us.
Questions never can be silly,but the answers can be. So never stop yourself to ask questions because if you ask more you can learn more. So just ignore them who laugh at you and go ahead.
Thank you
with regards
Mitali
18th April 2012 From India, Pune
thank you sir, i really satisfied with your reply... can you please say some of the variables or factors which determine the development of the employees?
19th April 2012 From India, Bangalore
Dear Venijen,
Why do you think the T&D is necessary?? Is it required or it could just be an option??
you find sufficient info if you browse, in addition to that I have attached a PPT slide doc, understand well and come up with your own ideas and variables you feel needed........
Regards,
BSSV
20th April 2012 From India, Bangalore

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BSSV, I think that is the precisely the stance that Mr. Narsimhan had taken.

A lot of these chaps don't think at all. I get very agitated.

These fellows don't think. Then they add a bit of sorry-please-thank-you-I-am-so-grateful and fool you and insult your intelligence and simply copy paste their homework question, expecting you to bite at the false flattery they put forth.

Don't you find that helping a guy like this is like being taken for a ride? He's clearly insulting the intelligence of anyone who helps him. Do you realize these folks don't use their heads and then copy and paste whatever from their email they may have received asking them to do some work on their own?

Then, they will copy and paste whatever you told them to their worksheets.

Pathetic! Amusing, but pathetic all the same!

That, and most of the knowledge they seek (well, they don't even seek it, but simply perpetuate), an instance being the question asked in this thread, is merely bookish with no practical relevance at all. Knowing this fine difference. which was the product of someone's philosophical rambling, is nothing more than cramming in garbage and crapping it out.
20th April 2012 From India, Ghaziabad
Hi,
You are right, absolutely theoretical........ that is why i have asked a question for the ideas of his own, so copying make them lose at once..... the kind of questions he ask' shows he need to do a lot of homework to know the things, he lack the foundation of basics, but he is deriving interest gradually as per my observation...... let's see how far i am right...
Hearty thanks for your sincere input... :-) Glad to know that... have a great day :-)
regards,
20th April 2012 From India, Bangalore
BSSV, you are a very kind gentleman.

But see, here comes another one. I think anyone helping these people is only acting out of kindness, and more so out of delusion that they are being helpful.

Providing cookie cutter answers to their absurd questions by finding something on the Web and pasting it here is only going to encourage them to come back to you for doing their homework for free.

Real help would be to urge these people to think about their questions. And more importantly, to think about the absurdity of their questions in the first place.

Take for instance this lady's question about the training practices at Wipro. I find the question so worthy of lampoonery that I do not know where to begin.

Dear question-asker, I assure you the training practices at any one place will not be any different at all from that of any other. Arranging training programs is not rocket science. Here are the steps:

1) Find out what your employees need to learn about to do their job better. A simply email or a Web form on a company intranet does this. This is often referred to as by the highly nonsensical and complicated sounding terms such as Requirements Analysis or Identification of Needs or some such.

2) Find out who can conduct the training within or from outside the organization. This may be ostensibly referred to by the esoteric moniker Procurement or Requisitioning of Training Sources.

3) Hire them. Get the training conducted. This may be described by the utterly needless but intimidating term Implementation Phase.

4) Ask people if they felt it was any good. Follow up after a few months with the participants again if they are making any progress. This is usually referred to by nonsense buzzwords such as Validation or Quality Control or Feedback.

5) Go to step (1). Rinse and repeat.

God! I could write a book.

Those are the bare essentials and then there's a whole of theoretical BS song and dance about it that you can make up with formidable, but vacuous buzzwords such as Competency Mapping Matrix and what-not!
20th April 2012 From India, Ghaziabad
Yeah Mr. satish, I believe any one really need to search on web just to explain the difference between simple two but the one, even after Investing years together on education/graduations!!!!!!!!
Glad to know especially from you that i am kind!!! Good compliment, well taken........
good day.......
12th May 2012 From India, Bangalore
Learning is the process of acquiring skill or knowledge. It is Purely the efforts of the person who intends to acquire or gain the skill required and the knowledge. It is the result of psychological perceptions and reasoning. It involves only one person who is learning.

Where as Training is the result of upbringing, it concentrates on moulding the specific activity or behaviour or skills, it is usually done under supervision, guidance, even teaching, through many means, even in simple forms like competitions, examination, assignments, judging the performance and activities.... This involves the two people one the Trainer, who guides you through, supervise your performance and correct you, one who trains you. The another one if the Trainee, the one who under takes the training, or receives the guidance, skills etc etc..



Learning has no limits, it may be anything you are interested to know about, where as training mostly concentrates on behavioral aspects and enhancement of knowledge and skills you already have in you.... (in the sense, training is for examples, you know the alphabet, ABCD, but you know them in ACDB order, under training they correct you and make you write it in a proper way as ABCD, that is moulding, improving upon the knowledge and skill you already have...)

So, learning is mostly the new information and skills you acquire, training is the correction of already acquired knowledge and skills to make it the best.

Further, Training and Development or Learning and Development are not considered as different in the corporate world. And they do not differ from company to company.

The only thing differ is the WAY, they provide you the training and in WHAT AREA they provide you the training. And HOW GOOD you have developed or improved, the benefits of training is satisfactory or not. So, as a "concept" training/learning & development is the same where ever you go, company to company or a school to school.



Is it clear now???

So whether you learn or under go training, the result is the improvement right?? so such improvements are called development. So once you improve you become more good right? so making you good is development.
13th December 2012 From India, Bangalore
Learning is the process of acquiring skill or knowledge. It is Purely the efforts of the person who intends to acquire or gain the skill required and the knowledge. It is the result of psychological perceptions and reasoning. It involves only one person who is learning.

Where as Training is the result of upbringing, it concentrates on moulding the specific activity or behaviour or skills, it is usually done under supervision, guidance, even teaching, through many means, even in simple forms like competitions, examination, assignments, judging the performance and activities.... This involves the two people one the Trainer, who guides you through, supervise your performance and correct you, one who trains you. The another one if the Trainee, the one who under takes the training, or receives the guidance, skills etc etc..

Learning has no limits, it may be anything you are interested to know about, where as training mostly concentrates on behavioral aspects and enhancement of knowledge and skills you already have in you.... (in the sense, training is for examples, you know the alphabet, ABCD, but you know them in ACDB order, under training they correct you and make you write it in a proper way as ABCD, that is moulding, improving upon the knowledge and skill you already have...)

So, learning is mostly the new information and skills you acquire, training is the correction of already acquired knowledge and skills to make it the best.

So whether you learn or under go training, the result is the improvement right?? so such improvements are called development. So once you improve you become more good right? so making you good is development.

Further, Training and Development or Learning and Development are not considered as different in the corporate world. And they do not differ from company to company.

The only thing differ is the WAY, they provide you the training and in WHAT AREA they provide you the training. And HOW GOOD you have developed or improved, the benefits of training is satisfactory or not. So, as a "concept" training/learning & development is the same where ever you go, company to company or a school to school.

Is it clear now???
13th December 2012 From India, Bangalore
Sometimes I wonder whether we are teaching the bloggers to become life-long learners or help them to stay dependent on others for information.
The difference between learning and training was explained to me once by giving the following example. A child learns to crawl, walk, talk, etc., by observing adults, where as adults have to potty-train a child to come off its nappies and train to talk with politeness and with certain accents, etc . Please also see Science of training and development in organizations: What really matters, what really works
Dear BVP, may we kindly know what you do and where and why you have raised that question?
13th December 2012 From United Kingdom
Employee Development is an individual and a part of HRD whereas HRD is a wide term concerned with the development of the organisation as a whole.
20th January 2013 From India, Delhi
Mr BSSV Sir,
Very well said in your earlier post. We should always be a like a ladder to help others. And definitely no body is perfect. We are all learners here. Sky is the limit, so keep learning, teaching n helping others, this is what i believe in. There is no harm in helping others. Definitly if one is not knowing his basics, he is definitly new to that subject. He requires help. And our opinion n views can help him. Lets encourage and support all the new comers to learn and grow.
Regards,
Marilyn.
3rd February 2015 From India, Mumbai
Dear Mr. BSSV,
Your comments are good. And it is really very helpful and supportive of you to spend some time and answer those questions who are seeking help. Very well said, we should help people in building stronger foundation. People ask questions only when they are doubtful or do not have knowledge about a particular topic. Good going....All the best for sharing your knowledge to the needy. And one thing for sure Google doesn't have answer to each and every question.
Regards,
Marilyn :-)
25th October 2015 From India, Mumbai
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