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Hi All,
Can any one help me to provide clear infomrationa about getting PF deducted from my salary.
I was working in one cmpany say ABC Co. LT for 4 months. Each month my salary deducted with 680 Rupees towards PF. But now, at the time of my resigneation, company refuse to pay the PF in Final Settlement. they are saying that i am not eleigible for PF!! Is there any rule to work for a minimum period to get PF. Moreover, PF amount deducted from last 4 months salary!
my Basic was only 4500/-
Regards
Nithin
From Singapore
Dear Nithin,
You have to work for minimum 6 months to get the withdrawal benefits from EPFO (Both EPF &EPS).
Since you have left with in 4 months you are eligible to get the EPF amount. you can submit Form 19.(your 12% + Employer 3.67%)
you will not be eligible for EPS - Pension (dont submit form 10C).(you will not get Employer 8.33%)
Is you PF amount deducted is Rs.680/- or Rs.540/-(Since your basic is 4500 it is only Rs.540/-(12%) or you have any DA or you have added your ESI deduction also)
From India, Mumbai
Dear Shenbagarajan,
Many thanks for your reply.
Pls note that Basic was Rs. 5,750 and PF was Rs. 690.
I just have a look at Form19, it is showing fields for Account No. PN/HR. But i don't have such number.
So i should ask this number to my previous employer first right?
One more valid question in this regard, if employer refuse to give me the number wht should i do?
Thanks again for your reply.
Regards
Nithin
From Singapore
Dear Nithin,

you can see your PF no. in your payslip else you can ask your previous HR to give the no.

Actually they have to sign the form 19, in case they are not signing go as per below given by EPFO.

It is the duty of the employer under the Act & Scheme to help Employees' Provident Fund organisation to settle the Provident Fund dues of his employees. He has to complete the prescribed application within 5 days of receipt [para72(5)] forms & hand over it to the member when he leaves the service. When a member finds difficult to get the form attested by the employer, he can get the attestation of any of the following officer & send to the Provident Fund office

Manager of a bank.

By any gazetted officer.

Member of the Central Board of Trustees./ committee/ Regional Committee (Employees'

Provident Fund Organization).

Magistrate/ Post/ Sub Post Master/ President of Village Panchayat/ Notary Public.

but only when the previous employer is not signing the form you can go ahead with above attestation.

Also, hope you don't have any dues with your previous employers.
From India, Mumbai
if he didn’t have any pf number given, how will he get it attested by someone ? i m assuming thatif employer refused pf, he will refuse to give the account number
From India, Mumbai
Dear Saswata,
If he is not getting his number, he can write the concerned PF office where the company is maintaining the PF account. But this will be taken seriously and an enquiry will be done by the Enforment officer with the employer.
But, If any dues is to be paid by the employee then the company will surely go for a legal proceeding else no problem.
Try to solve the problem internally.
From India, Mumbai
Yes, i understand what you are saying.
You have also answered my question as to what option he has if the company does not give the PF number. I suppose the department will have a copy of the 12A and 3A where his name will appear.
If his name does not appear, then PF Officer will definitely issue a notice to the company asking to explain why they have not paid PF for him.
I do not think it is legally allowed for the company to hold back PF for other dues. I believe there is a specific rule somewhere stating this.
However, do you think the department will take trouble to follow this through on the request of the employee for such a small amount ?

From India, Mumbai
Dear Sir,
In the above case, it is informed that 8.33% of EPS would not be availed by the employee but employer has already submitted their contribution. Then who will be the beneficiary of this contribution or how the employer can take back this amount?
Please Inform.
Thanking you.
From India, Mumbai
Hi Shenbagarajan,
Thanks a lot for your clear and professional reply on this.
I already cleared the settlement with company and signed on Final Settlement Form. Regarding PF, I will contact the HR and try to close this matter internally.
@rameshr338
Yes i have same conern. In my company, leave (Paid Leave) granted based on the working days of last financial year. One of my collegue now undergoing the notice period and HR deducted PL from the notice period days. (EG: If he having 15 Days PL and notice period is 30 Days, he need to work for 15 Days only.) But company refuse to pay he salary for the deducted days (i.e. 15 Days). Is it legal?
From Singapore
Dear Freinds,
Help me, Recently I joined a co. & came to know that our contractor is manuplating to deposit PF amount & in past he has withdraw the PF amount by opening Dummy accounts. Workers has lost faith, Now we don't want to change the worker & can NOT change contractor, Please help me to short the issue.
Regards,
Prakash
From India, Jamnagar
Why can't u change the contractor ?
You can appoint a new contractor and ask all contract workers to join them
Please remember that u as principal employer is responsible for any short payment or non payment of pf. Take a copy of his pf chalans and check his 12a 6a and 3a forms at regular intervals to ensure he is paying of properly and in the name of the correct persons.

From India, Mumbai
Dear Nithin/Ramesh,
if he works for 15days and quit the organisation and ask to adjust the leave it cannot be done since his last date will be 15th day of 30 days and after that he is removed from the organisation roll so he is not eligible for the same. 15 days leave and 15 days notice period recovery will be adjusted and he will be paid for 15 days only.
hope you are clear
From India, Mumbai
Dear Ramesh,
You see the notice period is meant for the priod during which the new candidate can be got selected and work of leaving employee can be handed over with some training from leaving employee to new joiner plus to comlete the assignments in hand.
now if the leaving employee will take leaves, then the purpose of the notice period is not get solved, so management may not alow the same. if management approve the leaves properly applied by the leaving employee, he is eligible to get salasy, else he is eligible to get only Earned leaves' leave encashment.
Sunil
From India, Ahmadabad
Dear Mr. Nitin,
You can apply for transfer of your PF fund in your new PF account with your current employer. For this, U have to fill form 13 and submit to the PF dept through your current employer. Rest PF dept will take care.
Regards,
Vijay Kumar
Silvassa
From India, Silvassa
Dear Sameer,

Pls find the same reply in the trial,

you can see your PF no. in your payslip else you can ask your previous HR to give the no.

Actually they have to sign the form 19, in case they are not signing go as per below given by EPFO.

It is the duty of the employer under the Act & Scheme to help Employees' Provident Fund organisation to settle the Provident Fund dues of his employees. He has to complete the prescribed application within 5 days of receipt [para72(5)] forms & hand over it to the member when he leaves the service. When a member finds difficult to get the form attested by the employer, he can get the attestation of any of the following officer & send to the Provident Fund office

Manager of a bank.

By any gazetted officer.

Member of the Central Board of Trustees./ committee/ Regional Committee (Employees'

Provident Fund Organization).

Magistrate/ Post/ Sub Post Master/ President of Village Panchayat/ Notary Public.

but only when the previous employer is not signing the form you can go ahead with above attestation.

Also, hope you don't have any dues with your previous employer
From India, Mumbai
Dear Nitin, The PF contribution which was deducted will not be returned as you have not worked for the same company for at least 6 months. Regards, Rajitha
From India, Hyderabad
You mean that the money will be appropriated by the government ? I don’t think that was the spirit of the legislation. How can money deducted from salary for social benefit be appropriated ??
From India, Mumbai
Dear Rajitha,
But as per the info provided by Shenbagarajan , employee can avail his contribution + employer contribution @ 3.67%.
You mean emplpoyee cannot be benifited from this????

You have to work for minimum 6 months to get the withdrawal benefits from EPFO (Both EPF &EPS).
Since you have left with in 4 months you are eligible to get the EPF amount. you can submit Form 19.(your 12% + Employer 3.67%)
you will not be eligible for EPS - Pension (dont submit form 10C).(you will not get Employer 8.33%)

From Singapore
Dear
@Rajitha , it should be given to the employees even it is less than 6 months based on the calculation by me in the trail pl look for it.
@Saswatha - It is not deducted from your salary, it is deducted from your employer. after retirement it is not the employer who is going to pay your PF pension(private company). It is the PF department going to pay the pension benefit.
If you feel that it should not taken by PF department then the PF has to be transfered to the new employer where you will not lose the money.
Dont look for 1% who lose their money(Employer contribution PF - 8.33% of 12%). there are 99% employee who gets benefited.
From India, Mumbai
Dear Sh. Shenbagarajan,
I have posted an enquiry earlier. If the employee has not worked for less than 6 months he will be paid back only the employee portion of the PF deducted. But if employer already remitted their contribution how employer gets back the same amount. Who will be the real beneficiary of that componnent?
Thanking you.
(M. Ramasubramanian)
From India, Mumbai
Dear ramasubramanian,
It is taken by the EPFO only.
Already i had replied to @Saswatha - It is not deducted from your salary, it is deducted from your employer. after retirement it is not the employer who is going to pay your PF pension(private company). It is the PF department going to pay the pension benefit.
If you feel that it should not taken by PF department then the PF has to be transfered to the new employer where you will not lose the money.
Dont look for 1% who lose their money(Employer contribution PF - 8.33% of 12%). there are 99% employee who gets benefited.
From India, Mumbai
I was the employee of a company.my basic was only 4000 rs..and total was 5300..for pf 456 rs deducted from my gross(6021 rs)..
I worked there for 4 months.and i don't have the payslip also so i don't know the pf no..am i eligible for get the pf??
From India, undefined
Please forward a request under RTI to the concerned EPFO where your employers office is located. Nobody can withhold your PF even if you have worked for just one day.
From India, Jamnagar
Dear Sir,
I would like to discuss on my problem. I was working in a foundation from 8 sep2014 to 10march2015.appropriate (6months 2days)
I have given a notice period of 10 days . As their norms notice period is required 15 days. So they deduct my salary for 6-7 days .
Now I'm asking them for my PF (pf amt was 480/ month) clearance from the time of my resignation but nothing is going on I didn't get any satisfactory and till yet. I have sent a no of e-mail & reminders to HR,A/C ,admin but nothing is going on.
Please help me with the best legal solution or diplomatic.
Regards
Satyajeet Singh
From India, undefined
hib
Hello sir i am working as a stenographer under ministry corporate affairs on contract basis. every month Rs.1245 deduct from my salary and my current pf balance is 30,168. now i have some query about this which are mentioned below
1. I want to know what is the minimum time to withdraw my pf amount.After relieving the job.
2.How much interest i get on Rs.30,168/- and the total amount i get from my pf amount.
3. PAN Card is mandatory to withdraw this money.
4. Is there any form filled by me to withdraw this pf amount
From India, Delhi
And if the working months are less than 1 year and more than 6 months does he/she will get the benefit of both EPF and EPS??
From India, Jalalpur
Dear sir, i am newly joined in company for HR i have one information please how to create new EPF code for employee (online ) please help me Regards Mohan 8144488870
From India, Gingee
Am working in X company. I worked 3 Months. Now i want to left that company because of some reasons but when am asking my PF account number they are saying that i have to work minimum 6 months to get PF number. Is it true. please help me.
Thank You
chinni
From India, Hyderabad



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