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Agree 8 80.00%
Disagree 2 20.00%
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skhadir
288

Dear All,
Before i play my part, i would like to ask one question "What a Project Report means to A FACULTY?

Here we are, discussing about the most awaited topic. Nice to see members submitting their best opinions and i agree to an extent while appreciating all those who had pointed out the faults in our education system. Today is Mr. Simhan's day.........

Instead of blaming the Education System, lets blame and point out those from the education industry so called "EDUCATIONIST", holding HIGHEST DEGREES, DECADES OF EXPERIENCE, because they are the one who created the WRONG SYSTEM and making students to follow the SAME. Moreover, the funny thing is that, they themselves do not possess relevant Knowledge/Skills/Talent etc.

1) Why are we blaming students when they haven't received PROPER GUIDELINES/SUPPORT to carryout their project work?

2) How many FACULTY MEMBERS have successfully EDUCATED/BRIEFED their STUDENTS on "WHAT IS PROJECT REPORT, HOW TO CARRYOUT THEIR PROJECT, THE PROCESS INVOLVED FOR ACQUIRING INFORMATION, WHAT INFORMATION NEED TO BE COMPOSED/DRAFTED, TO WHAT EXTENT PRACTICAL EXAMPLES TO BE PROVIDED, REFERENCE MATERIALS TO BE USED, ETC"

Lets consider this example https://www.citehr.com/344172-traini...-students.html.

Mr. Dev, an employee of MANAGEMENT INSTITUTION, coordinating activities under the banner "Center for Excellence and Personality Development" sought guidance from members of this forum, for creating curriculum for PG STUDENTS. I raised my query stating "whether faculty members of his institution are aware of such programmes, do they have any exposure or have got any information, did you approach your faculty seeking inputs, etc"............But i haven't received any reply........WHAT SHALL I CONCLUDE FROM THIS POST?

I would love to blame the "FATHER OF THE FAMILY" for all FAILURES. In one of my thread, https://www.citehr.com/332858-how-en...-students.html, Mr. Dinesh had clearly pointed out the INABILITY, LACK OF PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE, MISSING IN FACULTY MEMBERS, made students TO FOLLOW AND PRACTICE - FALSE SYSTEM.

Another example......https://www.citehr.com/341761-case-s...ur-opnion.html .....Mr. Saleem had posted his case studies seeking inputs. I found really funny when he said "All these case studies, were part of my examination which I submitted in December, 2010. I received my marks list too, but the case studies what I have submitted on this site, I received very less marks, I requested the university to give me a reason for the same, but you know, that they dont give such suggestions. As this site is full of experts like you, I wanted to check, where I have gone wrong.

I think the base for your question is now-a-days there are many individuals who have come in HR field without proper qualificiations or experience and seek support from experts and proceed with their problems.

If Mr. Saleem's opt for TEACHING PROFESSION, he will also follow the same methodology because he was guided in the wrong direction.


Lets educate TEACHING PROFESSIONALS to correct themselves. TEACHING PROFESSIONALS has to strictly educate their students ON THE SAME GUIDELINES. If TEACHING PROFESSIONALS, starts IGNORING the RIGHT METHODOLOGY, end result will be........."i hope you members can imagine what it will be"......

Most of the students are smart enough to outsource their assignments/projects.....because a group of teaching professionals explored one of means for making money....

1) "One who works hard, will succeed in his career and life". PRACTICAL EXPOSURE during COURSE OF STUDY, may be for limited period, is must for a student to understand his subject naturally/practically.

2) PROJECT REPORT FORMATS SHOULD NOT BE FIXED and students should be allowed to submit their reports in their own HAND WRITING, while meeting the criteria for qualifying to the next level.

3) RESOURCES required to carry out PROJECT, should be provided by the INSTITUTION.

4) TEACHING PROFESSIONALS SHOULD SPEND MAXIMUM TIME WITH THEIR STUDENTS, SUPPORTING THEM TO CARRYOUT THEIR PROJECT.

5) TEACHING PROFESSIONALS MUST AND SHOULD SEEK SUPPORT FROM INDUSTRY/SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS/WORKING PROFESSIONAL HAVING PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE/KNOWLEDGE..

6) TEACHING PROFESSIONALS SHOULD INCULCATE "RESEARCH ORIENTED EDUCATION SYSTEM" TO CARRY OUT PROJECT WORK.

7) TEACHING PROFESSIONALS must and should play the role of a POSITIVE MOTIVATOR, COUNSELOR, GUIDE, COACH and MENTOR.

In QATAR, RESEARCH is giving highest preference during the course of study. PRACTICAL/EXPERIMENTAL CURRICULUM SUPPORTED BY THEORY is designed by INDUSTRY EXPERTS as they believe "EDUCATION IS NOT JUST FOR EARNING OUR LIVELIHOOD BUT IT IS ONE OF THE MEANS"


Kindly correct me, if i am wrong.....

With profound regards

From India, Chennai
nashbramhall
1624

Dear Khadir,

Thank you for the contribution. It's not students that do not know, even the staff do not know; for example see https://www.citehr.com/239796-guidan...-ph-d-hrm.html

However, that should not be an excuse in the present internet age. If one takes tha pains to search the web rather than rely on members to provide answers on-a-plate, they can find guidelines published by universities elsewhere. For example see
http://heacademy.ac.uk <link updated to site home> found at Google

Even in the UK, when I was a student in the 70s and websites were not there, the guidelines for students' projects were sketchy. So were the assessment guidelines. However, things have changed.

By the time I retired from service in 2008, we had started to implement Assessment guidelines for every assignment and project reports. A model grid is attached for the members' information. Some faculty members in Indian institutions, where I have conducted Research Methodology seminars and Authorworkshops, agree that it's a good idea. However, they have not seen fit to incorporate.

Institutions do not have firm policies on PLAGIARSM either and I have known cases where students have submitted project reports written by someone else 2 years ago. No doubt, the management and faculty have deficiencies. However, that should not be the sole reason for students taking a short cut.

Have a nice day.

Simhan

From United Kingdom
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skhadir
288

Dear Mr. Simhan
I agree with you as everyone has DEFICIENCIES but, to what extent?
It is the responsibility of the TEACHING PROFESSIONALS to look into the matter and stop students applying SHORT CUT METHODS. PLAGIARISM can be controlled to an extent as the same information can be re-written in different way but, PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE, RESEARCH METHODS, TOOLS USED will vary student to student as it depends upon the INTEREST OF THE STUDENT.
Just downloading information from the NET will not make sense. INVOLVEMENT OF FACULTY - DEEP ROOT LEVELS will make huge difference. FACULTY is again responsible for inculcating GOOD HABITS IN STUDENTS, this will help to a greater extent. Even we members of this forum had supported student queries to some extent only.
Let our message reach TEACHING PROFESSIONALS and they have to INITIATE THE RIGHT PROCESS & PERFECT(may not be 100%) EDUCATION SYSTEM.
With profound regards

From India, Chennai
nashbramhall
1624

Thanks Khadir,
I forgot to mention. I had instituted a system whereby I would see all the students that I supervised once a month, as a group. Also, students had to give written brief every two weeks how they were progressing. They also had to show their draft report at different stages; if they did not, they ran the risk of the project report not being approved for submission. However, the university regulations permitte them to submit. I am told that all students in a certain university have to submit their work to TURNITIN and confirm that their work is not copied.
Have a nice day.
Simhan

From United Kingdom
nashbramhall
1624

Cut and paste job is more than plagiarism. It may involve copyright violations in addition to plagiarism. Have you come across Marking Grids like the one I have attached? Have a nice day. Simhan
From United Kingdom
anil.arora
663

Thats is really appreciating Mr. Simhan, and wanna offer my sincere thanks to Mr Khadir for their valuble points and to all of you my mates for your inputs.

And Yes Mr. Khadir, I agree with you that this is the responsibility of the TEACHING PROFESSIONALS to look into the matter and stop students applying SHORT CUT METHODS but just blaming the EDUCATION SYSTEM and EDUCATIONIST for this, we cant be succeeded in our motive bcz it’s a STUDENT who are doing this job actually and also we need to make him/her realize the value of PROJECT REPORT. See It’s Student's Time and let him/her decided what he/she want. Our duty is to let them know what is wrong and right. Because we just can advice and guide them on this but cant stop them for doing this actually, so basically the question remain the same, how can we make them realize this, which is a really important thing for their career and life.

But im not completely agree with, that students are not getting PROPER GUIDELINES/SUPPORT to carryout their project work. See its not like that every School/Institution /Collage/University are on the same track but there are numbers of institution who are helping their students properly in this regard but still students are searching for the easy way to get the PROEJECT WORK done.

I have done my project work in my time with proper guideline and support provided by my esteem University and know the numbers of peoples from many other university. Please correct if im wrong but my main motive is to say that a student must realize the value of PROJECT REPORT while our today’s student are more mature and advance (with technology and many things) then the past.

Mr. Khadir, It is a valid point that this is the responsibility of Educationist and Education System too, they need to do something to stop this COPY_PASTE JOB and need to create a system like Mr. Simhan has done.

And what I think is that we must do something against this "COPY-PASTE and Project Report" work of students and need to take steps so that we can develop a system at global level and can be succeed in our motive..

Basically there are two things we need to consider:
-A student need to know the value of PROJECT WORK/REPORT so, How can we make them realize this?
-Lack of Support /Guideline by Education System (Educationist) so, how can we raise this issue in front of them and make them realise the seriousness of this problem so that they can make a system against this COPY-PASTE of Project work by students

I have done this by writing to our Education Ministry , Few of big Education Institution, and other Education peoples with examples and more and also have asked them to make a system of VERIFICATION (by a separate Verification Department) in this regard so that student can take their project work seriously. This is what I have done and will go long…….bcz the target have fixed, journey have started and need to reach my destination…

Would like to offer my thanks to all of you for your inputs…

From India, Gurgaon
skhadir
288

Dear Mr. Anil Arora
Infact, the credit goes to you for posting a NEW THREAD and HUGE CREDIT, much more than lands in the court of MR. SIMHAN, as he had initiated the process by raising his queries seeking more information from students. Initially, i was feeling quite different when i was reading Mr. SIMHAN's queries but, later i had realize his intention being EDUCATIONIST. Not every educationist can be blamed but to my knowledge MAJORITY of the EDUCATIONIST are just for the name sake.

1) STUDENTS MENTALITY is directly proportional to his TEACHER'S MENTALITY.

2) For a student, his TEACHER is the EYE through which he perceives the WORLD, his TEACHER is the BRAIN through which he INTERPRETS MOST OF THE INFORMATION, his TEACHER is the HEART through which he FEELS/LOVES HIS SUBJECT and moreover TEACHER IS EVERYTHING FOR A STUDENT. infact, MORE THAN A PARENT...

Henceforth a student calls his teacher as GURU because, that GURU had TAUGHT him BASIC/INITIAL/TECHNICAL INFORMATION which NO ONE ELSE HAD TAUGHT HIM. Therefore, a student relies on his GURU. This is the CONCEPT, which made me blame TEACHING PROFESSIONALS/EDUCATIONIST.


A) Only a PERFECT GURU can MOLD his student into a MATURED PROFESSIONAL.

B) EDUCATIONIST dealing with MANAGEMENT RELATED SUBJECTS, need to be more creative, dynamic, optimistic, willing to take any amount of risk, etc., than those dealing with TECHNICAL SUBJECTS as most of the TECHNICAL SUBJECTS REMAIN THE SAME FOR DECADES TOGETHER but MANAGEMENT IS DIRECTLY PROPORTIONAL TO CURRENT TRENDS AND KEEP CHANGING DAY-BY-DAY

I understood that, those "WHO CANT TAKE RISK CAN NEVER PROVE THEIR LEADERSHIP SKILLS NOR THEY CAN LEAD THEIR TEAMS".

I prefer if the EDUCATION PATTERN/SYSTEM could be MORE SIMPLIFIED and allow STUDENTS to chose "HOW TO BECOME SUBJECT EXPERTS" based on their INTEREST, rather concentrating on everything "JACK OF ALL, MASTER OF NONE"


Lets hope for the best and keep continuing our responsibilities because we had earned a reputation in the market. I believe, "RETAINING REPUTATION" is the MOST CHALLENGING ASSIGNMENT for any one in this world...

Good luck to you all.........

With profound regards

From India, Chennai
nashbramhall
1624

Dear Khadir,
Please see https://www.citehr.com/344643-ph-d-t...es-needed.html which proves your point 1.
Kindly also see https://www.citehr.com/339875-questi...n-process.html and https://www.citehr.com/342877-projec...appraisal.html which are examples of students seeking projects or off-the-shelf questionnaires with scant information about the course, the place where the questionnaire will be used and how, etc.
Have a nice day.
Simhan

From United Kingdom
AneeshK
Hello everyone.. I am not a great HR or something but I am a student and I think it is unethical to ask projects directly.. I am no saint here but then we should do our projects on our own with some help from the great contributors on this website..this is place to learn n learn..so i urge people who ask for projects atleast give it shot on your own and then if nothing works..(No Offense people)
From India, Pune
Cite Contribution
1858

Greetings,
This discussion made an important point, ie, effort over convenience. Here comes a request. We have Simhan guiding students for Research and Project. Ankit Chaturvedi and Anil have been doing it. May we please request others, who are willing to guide the student to share their interest in this thread.
We would put their names on the Scholar thread marked on the Research and Assignment section. This would help the students to contact these guides directly in case they require any further consultation.

From India, Mumbai
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