Archnahr
Consultant, Writer And Trainer
Rajat Joshi
Hr Consulting ,trainer -creative Thinking
Sthadhani
Project Manager
Penmetsa
Head Hr
ShoOOonya
Student (mba) / Trainer
Rajnish Borah
Hr Leader - Syntel Inc
Moushmi
Service
Kiran_namburu
Officer-hr
Nimmagadda
Assistant Manger
Ranjan
Senior Executive - Human Resources
Preetikriplani
Hr Executive

Hi,

I have joined a start up company 3 months ago thinking I would learn a lot from it. But I have started getting very uneasy feeling about the Business Plans of the Mgt. I got a feedback from sources that my CEO was not competent in previous companies he worked for.

For last 3 months I could see that my CEO took wrong desicions and the business procurement delay for almost 1.5 months, now last 15 days back we have recruited a BDM...

CEO is a senior with 25yrs in Industry. he is nice guy but very sensitive by nature in all issues. So now I feel even though he is senior and nice guy but lack business mind & leadership qualities, gets very tensed very soon.

Recently my colleague close to CEO told me that CEO thinks I'm very assertive, aggressive by nature & lack proactiveness, which my CEO has not spoken to me directly about. I have adjusted myself to be compatible with working, but still my CEO is not happy. There is lot of uncomfortable feeling while working from both the side.

I feel very demoralized due to this and feel I should start looking for other job..... Please advice me :( , should I stay on for another 6 to 1 years in this company ??

I would really appreciate any suggestion, guide, advice in this regards.

Regards

Anu
6th August 2005 From India, Pune
Dear Anu

You are still raw in your career. It is pre mature on your part to comment and come to an opinion on a 25 yrs experienced guy who is heading a company. Some decisions may go wrong especially in the initial (Project) stage of building a new organization. That doesn’t mean that the CEO is lacking certain skills. Some unpleasant decisions towards you or towards your colleagues with whom you have rapport might provoked you to come to an opinion like this.

At least you came to know about CEO’s comments on your behavior and performance. Please take it in a positive way and try to reach to his expectations.

Not only you Anuradha, most of the beginner’s feel uneasy and uncomfortness during their first few months. They feel they are ignored and some times land into insecure feeling, indulge in grapewine, mudslinging and also procrastinate things and land into problems.

I suggest you to not to get demoralized at this moment. All that what you need to do at this moment is to gear up to the expectations of the CEO and and try to overcome your weakness.

Be flexible and I wish you all the best in the same company in the years to come.

regards

P.V.S. RAVINDRA VARMA
6th August 2005 From India, Hyderabad
Hi Anu,

Am sure you would be now better settled in the job after a great sound advice by Ravindra Verma..he said it very rightly and i totally agree with him on all accounts..however would like to add a few points as well..

I have joined a start up company 3 months ago thinking I would learn a lot from it. But I have started getting very uneasy feeling about the Business Plans of the Mgt. I got a feedback from sources that my CEO was not competent in previous companies he worked for.

Remember from every job including this ones & ones in the future -you would learn something..being in HR you may a very little understanding of Business Plans..so its too early to comment!!..believe me even i felt that way as well..regarding competency of your boss..Ravindra has answered that well..

For last 3 months I could see that my CEO took wrong desicions and the business procurement delay for almost 1.5 months, now last 15 days back we have recruited a BDM...

This is your opportunity to learn from the mistakes..just think as how this could have been avoided or what could have been better decision..

CEO is a senior with 25yrs in Industry. he is nice guy but very sensitive by nature in all issues. So now I feel even though he is senior and nice guy but lack business mind & leadership qualities, gets very tensed very soon.

Let me ask you there are two things you cannot choose..Parents & Boss..so learn to adapt to the style..all bosses have achilless kneel so what you are doing about it? other than criticising about..have you looked as how you can help him out..in genuine manner/way without giving the smack of polishing the apple!!..but in professional approach..

Recently my colleague close to CEO told me that CEO thinks I'm very assertive, aggressive by nature & lack proactiveness, which my CEO has not spoken to me directly about. I have adjusted myself to be compatible with working, but still my CEO is not happy. There is lot of uncomfortable feeling while working from both the side.

Wow..that's some feedback..best would be to have a one to one discussion about his expectations from you..proactiveness is the key word..many of us are not..(am sure even my boss would be agree!! Ha ha ha)..jokes apart..you have to start thinking as how you are making his job as CEO easier...if you have an idea then share the same with CEO as how you can…

I feel very demoralized due to this and feel I should start looking for other job..... Please advice me , should I stay on for another 6 to 1 years in this company ??

Hey this is the best phase of your career!!..make the most of it..

Happy Independence day!!

Cheerio

Rajat
14th August 2005 From India, Pune
Anuraadhaa,
Is the image your CEO has of u bothering u?
If I were you , I would have had a one-on-one with him on expectations and request him for a general feedback on the three months of work.
Is the competency and leadership capability of your CEO is an issue in continuing?
If yes, have you validated those facts that you have, what has the person done wrong in the last 25 years, why was he hired by your organisation inspite of all the failures in the first place? If you have done that and they are in line with what yu said and you do not see the organisation growing under that leadership and you cannot steer a change in any form, probably the best option will be to check for opportunities of interest.
15th August 2005
Hi Anu,
I think.. you ve got xcellent replies for ur post.. i would like to add few more... for a new employee(fresher)
Patience: Understand your company,boss,other employees well... it may take 6 months to get a clear idea of working ethics of ur company(if its a first job). once you understand your boss expectations... try to fulfill... You evalute urself in past three months.. like how much u know about the company.. most startup companies do not give full fredom to a new HR person to implement his/her ideas.. try to do any minor changes in the existing if needed, after consulting with ur senior...always try implementing thingd according to the company... once ur ceo/boss feels that ur capable of doing things... its sure.. gradually you would get freedom to implement ur own ideas..
:) :) :)
Regards
15th August 2005 From India, Madras
Hi Rajat,

Thanks a lot for your valuable advice, after Ravindra's advice, I gave it a more holistic thought & do feel this situation would improve and guess what !! I did get a indirect positive feedback from CEO, He told my colleague that he can see positive improvement as needed in me.. :D , I feel so much better now!!

"you there are two things you cannot choose..Parents & Boss..so learn to adapt to the style" I absolutely agree with you!

Things are looking up for the Company too now.. So good for all.

But still one Problem - My CEO does NOT dress professional for work, He wears only casual T- Shirts EVERYDAY!! That look's so LOUSY..

One or twice my colleague gave him a taunt and indirect remark about his dress code but no use at all..

Problem is that while interviewing candidates for a new company, it gives a unprofessional and bad impression about the company itself, Don't you thinks, more to it, He keep munching something so the other in his office and foodies fallen all round the table and his shirt..

So tell me how would we tell our CEO to improve upon his dress code..

Regards

Anu
17th August 2005 From India, Pune
Hi Rajnish,
Yes, I had validate it from few of my friends who had worked with him before and other business competitor who is friend of mine..
Yeah, that the image he HAD about me before, But things have improved now.. Business too is looking up for the company,
"what has the person done wrong in the last 25 years, why was he hired by your organisation inspite of all the failures in the first place?" - The Mgt decided to appoint him CEO, he is also one of the company director. I had no play in his appointment.
But please let me know how I can change his "dress code".
Thanks a lot for your advice :)
Regards
Anu
17th August 2005 From India, Pune
Hi Anu,
Am glad that things have improved...
Boss - Dress!!
O boy it's a tough challenge...since he is not a kid that you could rebuke..
Please enforce indirect approach..which is to be very subtle..as the dress code change can come only with his realization ....
Hmm...lemme give a thought & shall respond with some ideas..
Meanwhile what i would like you to do is the following:-
* His psychological profile
* His strong & weak areas
* His career plan/growth profile
(Please don't post it here!!)....
Cheerio
Rajat
17th August 2005 From India, Pune
Anu,
Dressing/presentation is a personal issue, some people dress formally, some casually. In US, T shirt with business trousers are accepted form of dressing to offices. In India some companies accept, some doesn't. I understand that we look upto people at positions and have expectations from them as to how they should conduct/dress/speak etc. There will be elements in the environment we may not have control on, that's how its made up of.I think you are looking at him from a "opinioneted" lens, too much scrutiny will create "bothers" in your mind which will impact your productivity.
I suggest you "zoom out: of him and if you hear comments from customers or too many employees, identify a senior person who's pally with your CEO and who can communicate the feedback in a informal manner which will bring in the desired change. Remember, this is a sensitive area and needs subtle handling.
17th August 2005
Hi Rajnish,
Yes, my colleague is also my Boss's pal. He did tell my boss about his dress code, specially during conducting senior position interviews.
Anyway, I agree it a "sensitive area and needs subtle handling" and also feel that he should be able to sense it himself which may take its own time.
Thanks again for your advice :)
Regards
Anu
18th August 2005 From India, Pune
Hi Rajat, Yes, It is sensitive matter and must be handled with care, He is very sensitive person.. I will work on the matter u need and get back to you. Regards Anu
18th August 2005 From India, Pune
Hi Anu ...

I second opinion expressed by Rajnish.

Dress Code is a matter of Company Culture !!

The Leadership of the Company is often responsible for setting up the Company Culture (informally) which over a period of time gets engraved in the Culture of the Company as well as in Hard Copy Company Policy.

Is your CEO the only one having a 'different / casual' Dress code ??

Do you have a well defined / or even simply defined Dress Code ??

Depending upon your personal relationship with your Boss,

Maybe you can even discuss / find out the CEO's opinion and point of view about the Dress Code ...

maybe the CEO indeed is having a casual dress code 'intentionally' so as to cultivate an 'informal' company culture where everyone is comfortable

The meaning and interpretation and perception has 'changed' over the recent times .... A casual Dress Code need not necessarily indicate 'inprofessionalism'. It is the attitude that actually matters.

Even when your CEO is interviewing for Senior Roles, the candidates being interviewed will judge you CEo by his Attitude, Business Sense and the way he conducts the Interview !! If they are also biased by "dress sense" ... well ... i guess they should not be a part of leadership !!
18th August 2005 From Switzerland, Geneva
Hi,
At this point of time, I don't think she is worried about the CEO's capabilities, more so his competencies. What is bothering her is the fact that the CEO (inspite of not performing himself) is directing her to change.
Ann : Correct me if i'm wrong.
I see it this way, the CEO has compimented you on being aggressive and competent. What he is asking you to be is PROACTIVE. Now the stage is set by the CEO (since he is not performing, perhaps he knows that) for you to work in tandem, proactively to resurrect the business or the business plan. And moreso you are aggressive, channelise that aggressive energy towards being more proactive too. Give him suggestion, work parallely with the CEO..Some HR initiatives for the CEO

18th August 2005
Hi shoOOonya,

"Is your CEO the only one having a 'different / casual' Dress code ??" - Yes, he is only one. Everybody else wear professional attires.

"Do you have a well defined / or even simply defined Dress Code ??" - Yes, I have the Policies and Employees hand book ready. The time I finished it I showed it to him, But he said that he go through it later, I don't think he has looked at it.

Dress Code Policy: Employees should maintain a neat, well groomed appearance at all times. Employees should avoid extremes in dress.

Formal Wear : Monday to Thursday

Informal Wear : Friday

Men are expected to be in Formal Business attire e.g. Collared Shirt, Trousers and Leather Shoes and Smart Business Casuals.

Women are expected to be in Indian or Western Formal wear e.g. Sari, Salwar Kameez, and Trousers.

His 'attitude' is ok. I guess slowly and in very subtly we have to talk to him regard dress code.

"i guess they (dress code) should not be a part of leadership !!. - I have other opinion about this, I think it make a lot of difference if the person whom we look up to as Leader is not dressed appropriately.

Leadership is mix to may things, dresscode is one of them, thought minor % of it.

Thanks 4 advice.

Regards

Anu
18th August 2005 From India, Pune
Hmmmm ....
Well ... in that case ... people around your CEO (example - your Boss will have to be vocal about the fact and let him know informally about the long term Company Culture related damage He (CEO) might cause by not being synchronised to the Company Policy.
He may have a Great Vision ....
but it needs to be in sync with the Company vision !!
I guess your Boss will have to play an instrumental role in the change you wish to see in your CEO !!
All the Best !!
18th August 2005 From Switzerland, Geneva
Hi Ranjan,
"What is bothering her is the fact that the CEO (inspite of not performing himself) is directing her to change.
Ann : Correct me if i'm wrong - Yeah, you are right!
"Give him suggestion, work parallely with the CEO..Some HR initiatives for the CEO" - Yes, I have started with it, It's working well now.
Thanks a lot Ranjan.
Regards
Anu
18th August 2005 From India, Pune
Dear Anu :roll:

Sub: Return on the Time Spent by Myself :D , Rajat Joshi :) , Rajanish Borah :D , Atom Leaf :) , ShoOOonya :wink: , Ranjan :D - Reg

How are you. Hope by this time you have completed your probation with that start up company and settled in the job.

We appreciate if you could respond (since you have completed one year of service) to the following statements you made at the early days of your career:

1.) I have started getting very uneasy feeling about the Business Plans of the Management

2.) My CEO is not competent in the previous companies he worked for.

3.) I could see that my CEO took wrong decisions and the business procurement delay for almost 1.5 months.

4.) He is senior and nice guy but lack business mind and leadership qualities, gets very tensed very soon.

5.) CEO thinks I’m very assertive, aggressive by nature and lack proactive ness, which my CEO has not spoken to me directly about. I have adjusted myself to be compatible with working, but still my CEO is not happy. There is lot of uncomfortable feeling while working from both the side.

6.) I feel very demoralized due to this. Should I stay on for 6 month to one years in the company

and

What were your learnings in the past one year (learning from Mistakes) (learning by observing) (learning by doing) etc.,

Awaiting your response

Regards

P.V.S. RAVINDRA VARMA :lol:

7th June 2006 From India, Hyderabad
Great. After reading Ravindra Varma's mail - I read and reread the history of the mail. I should appreaciate Ravindra Varma responding back to Anuradha :roll: asking for Return on the Time Spent exactly after an year.
Let us see how this goes. Anuradha - It is your turn now.
regards
NIMMAGADDA :roll:
This site is the best of all HR sites I have seen till now and remains to be the best always. A great learning is taking place. Great applause to CHR :wink:
7th June 2006 From India, Hyderabad
Hi Anu,
Thanks to Ravi Varma for taking the effort on reading the post which was long ago and reviving the same - by asking you for the feedback..learnings, ROI.. et all..a great IDEA..
Thanks Ravi :D
Hello Nimmagadda
Fully agree with you..this forum has been enriched by the all members who have shared knowledge and am sure this would continue for the times to come..i remember in the initial days there were hardly responses to the queries..but am glad it has now become an interactive one..
Thanks to you for participating and sharing the views.
Cheers,
Rajat
7th June 2006 From India, Pune
Hi Anu Jee,
I think we all are really waiting for your reply as to what have u learnt from your company, what improvements you have brought in..and how did you manage all dis on your own when it was ur first job....
yes thanks to Ravindra Varma, nimmagadda & Rajat joshi for starting the chain again so that we call can get a feedback from you. so plz reply to the mails. hope u r still in d same company and still rocking with them...
Tc
preeti...
8th June 2006 From India, Mumbai
Hi Anu,
Till now i never seen this discussion.Today i read the complete history of the discussion.It was really good and one thing i want to share at this point is that i am also facing the same problem with my CEO.The discussion and the suggestions from Mr.Rajat,Mr.Ravindra,Mr.Rajnish,etc made me to think of self retrospection.
I have been working from last 17 months in HR field ,recently my boss was changed and the new boss is really screwing me up regarding many issues.My boss says i appreciate you for doing great work regarding employee well being.But in this process you are crossing the company policy.And that too he bangs me up all the time.
The discusion really helped me to think to make slight adjustments in my working style and attitude so that my boss understand me.
Any more suggestions regarding my case are welcome.
And i am also waiting for the reply from you all the way an year later.
Waiting :wink:
8th June 2006 From India, Gurgaon
Dear Rajat :D
I am really happy on receiving your reply. I further understand how much you people care for the community by sparing your valuable time. This motivates me. Thanks to you, Ravindra Varma 8) and many other members who silently bring a change in the lifestyles, thinking process,working model of those people seeking guidence. Thanks once again to CHR for his revolutionary contribution to HR community. I wish not only HR, others in the Management cadre of the companys also participate in this LIVE Learning Programme.
ANURADHA :roll: - WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR YOUR RESPONSE.
regards
NIMMAGADDA :lol:
8th June 2006 From India, Hyderabad
Hi Anu,
I am Moushmi, recently joined this remarkable group. After perusing ur case history only, I had only one thought ,that you must open up with ur CEO, but the way Mr.Ravindra has comprehended it to u and all is wonderful and perfect. We dont know what all challenges and troubles u might have faced later. but whatever u have done to cope up with that (one u have mentioned) situation , please let us know without reluctance. At the time of your sorrow, these group members have given u their best support , so as a mark of respect I think you should feel responsible to write them.
They are our seniors and believe me whatever you convey us it will be handled with full maturity. There might arrive some views and opinions , but the new comers like me will benefit a lot. After all we learn from each other's experience and experience is the best teacher.
Please do write,
Regards
Moushmi
8th June 2006 From India, Mumbai
Hi All

I have read all you comments & feedback

I have a very similar issue. Let me give you a brief about my profile first

I have an overall experience of about 6.5 years from designing to BPO operations management to Recruiting Manager in a IT firm now.

I have been working with this current software company for about 2 months now. Its a S/W company owned by a person from US who is also the CEO, he has made his brother the other CEO & his dad is the chairman.

I was hired here as a recruitment & training asstn manager. When i started what came as a shock to me was that these people don't hire Muslims. I first found it strange when one of my recruiters told me about it & hence i went & spoke to the chairman, (both CEO's are in US). The chairman told me that because muslims eat non-veg a lot he does not permit anyone eating non-veg in the office premises another shock :roll: . Then i slowly realised about these small things which were very disturbing.

Now, i have worked as an Assistant Manager for a BPO handling recruitment & training for over 2 years & i left that job & joined this one to get in mainstream HR. Now i don't think i will continue working here for long.

The advice that i am llookingfor from senior HR people is that what career path should i be looking into now. If i go for an interview & tell them that these are the reasons why ii wantto leave my job in 2 months they will give me negative points for saying ill about my current employer, if i lie i still don't have too much exp in HR & would not get a good job, if i want to go back to operations there will again be a big question mark on why i moved into HR for 2 months.

any suggestions/comments will be highly appreciated.

Regards,

Sameer
8th June 2006 From India, Mumbai
anuradha we are still waiting for your reply. these days we are not finding you actively in the forum. come back live. nimmagadda
22nd June 2006 From India, Hyderabad
[quote="Anuraadhaa"]Hi,

Dear Anuradha,

"I have joined a start up company 3 months ago thinking I would learn a lot from it. But I have started getting very uneasy feeling about the Business Plans of the Mgt. I got a feedback from sources that my CEO was not competent in previous companies he worked for."

I have gone through the same phase you are going thru' 7 years back. But later on I realised that 3 months is too early to develop an opinion.

"For last 3 months I could see that my CEO took wrong desicions and the business procurement delay for almost 1.5 months, now last 15 days back we have recruited a BDM..."

If this guy has experience of 25 years in the industry, there may be lots of potential in him.

"Recently my colleague close to CEO told me that CEO thinks I'm very assertive, aggressive by nature & lack proactiveness, which my CEO has not spoken to me directly about. I have adjusted myself to be compatible with working, but still my CEO is not happy. There is lot of uncomfortable feeling while working from both the side."

It is always advisable to have one-on-one communication with your CEO. Do not go by what your colleagues say, apply your own judgement and even if you may go wrong, that will be a learning experience for you.

Always work with a Positive attitude, the uncomfortable feeling you are getting may be due to the blocks created by your colleagues for CEO.

Keep doing the good work, and if you perform no one will raise a finger againt you for sure.

Cheers,

Archna
22nd June 2006 From India, Delhi
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