Hi, Information shared by u related to ESI is correct, if so can u pls share document to my mail id satya dot rao at haie dot co dot in
From India, Hyderabad
7From India, Hyderabad
The hard reality is that who pay for ESI are not getting the treatment at the ESI hospitals properly. In spite of paying 6.75% of their salary, the services provided by either the administration or dispensaries or hospitals are poor by any standard. Employees have to wait in long queues to get the services. Even to get a ESI card one has to run from pillar to post in the administration dept. Application forms get lost and fresh ones have to be filed invariably. If an employer does not pay the dues he is penalised and threatened with arrest warrants. But after paying the dues, the Workers have to wait to get the services.
When the ESI institutions are not able to service the existing beneficiaries ( I mean who pay to ESIC ), what is the idea of extending the salary limit. The services will get worse to worst. Let ESI get an exemplary record for their services, then all employees ask / demand for this service. Then the Act can be formulated. The present notification is a little out of turn.
If the idea of the Ministry of Labour is to provide for better Medical, Leave and Insurance benefits, then they can rope in the Private Hospitals and Insurance companies and Third party assessors to arrange for such benefits.
Kripakaran, P.
From India, Bangalore
When the ESI institutions are not able to service the existing beneficiaries ( I mean who pay to ESIC ), what is the idea of extending the salary limit. The services will get worse to worst. Let ESI get an exemplary record for their services, then all employees ask / demand for this service. Then the Act can be formulated. The present notification is a little out of turn.
If the idea of the Ministry of Labour is to provide for better Medical, Leave and Insurance benefits, then they can rope in the Private Hospitals and Insurance companies and Third party assessors to arrange for such benefits.
Kripakaran, P.
From India, Bangalore
Dear Kripakaran,
I do totally agree with you the above decision will not go well with employees as well as with corporates.
First of all, to a certain extent every co. is today having the pleasure of Mediclaim policy. If any unforseen event happens then co. is having this policy to protect the employees. Then why we are supposed to pay an extra sum to ESI Corp.. Just govt is finding ways to take more funds,
Secondly, the slab the time we were studying was Rs.7500/-, then it went to Rs.10000/- and remain for a good time. But suddenly its an increase of 5000/-, and the return here are limited, as if also an employee gets admitted in a recognized hospital, the medicine which a doctor prescribes are never within that bracket and thus are required to purchase from their own pockets.So how we are insured ! It will be good only if this sword is managed in a proper way, i.e. an employee gets every facility for what he and his employer has paid.
Govt. should better focus on improving the services instead of increasing slabs all the time.
Regards
Shikha Jain
From India, Bangalore
I do totally agree with you the above decision will not go well with employees as well as with corporates.
First of all, to a certain extent every co. is today having the pleasure of Mediclaim policy. If any unforseen event happens then co. is having this policy to protect the employees. Then why we are supposed to pay an extra sum to ESI Corp.. Just govt is finding ways to take more funds,
Secondly, the slab the time we were studying was Rs.7500/-, then it went to Rs.10000/- and remain for a good time. But suddenly its an increase of 5000/-, and the return here are limited, as if also an employee gets admitted in a recognized hospital, the medicine which a doctor prescribes are never within that bracket and thus are required to purchase from their own pockets.So how we are insured ! It will be good only if this sword is managed in a proper way, i.e. an employee gets every facility for what he and his employer has paid.
Govt. should better focus on improving the services instead of increasing slabs all the time.
Regards
Shikha Jain
From India, Bangalore
hai frnds checked with ESI , the notification and the part of implimentation probably will start from april 2010 , next contribution period. still notification not yet rlesed
From India, Bangalore
From India, Bangalore
The calculations that you have put up, are really informative and an eye opener for all those coming within the range of ESIC.
I really agree with the same.
But ………….
There is vast difference between the speculative Calculations and those that come in practical use in the daily life of an Employed Personnel.
I, myself, am taking care of the matters regarding the ESIC and what my experience is you will be surprised to note.
1. The ESIC Staff and the Dispensary Staff in our range of Hardwar are very accommodating and helpful in every matter, no matter how tedious it is. They even go out of their way to help out the IP to get the utmost benefits they can avail of.
2. It is not the responsibility of the ESIC to go to the house of the IP to get their treatment done from ESIC. We at the posts of HR should train and update the IP’s about the benefits of going to the ESIC for their treatment. If we ourselves don’t educate the IP’s about this then they are stuck with a tarnished picture about the treatment the unsympathetic performance meted out by the Government Dispensaries.
3. If we note any short coming from the part of the ESIC, we at the HR Department, should leave no stone unturned to get the things done right, even if we have to approach the higher level Officers. Our experience is that if the HR educates the IP’s about the benefits of the ESIC, then, I sure hope that most of the IP’s will get their treatment from the ESIC Dispensaries. In our Company at the slightest feeling of sickness or not feeling well they go to the Dispensary and get Medicine for themselves. Many a times I have checked and found that the medicine they are given free of cost amounts to not less than 50 to 70 Rupees.
4. The Doctors are very courteous and respond to the patient’s sickness with concentration and precedence. If any syndrome or analysis is out of their reach they then in turn refer the patient to higher authorities for the best in investigation and treatment.
5. In one unpleasant incident of our IP the Medical Commissioner of our range took the trouble to get involved personally (even though he was at the airport getting ready to embark a flight) and got the matters sorted out and the problem was solved at top priority, the IP getting the benefit.
6. As for the long Q’s in the ESIC Dispensaries, it is not as it is in the Clinics and Nursing Homes of Private Doctors in the lower category or in the higher category. These types of Q’s are a part of our daily lives and we are used to all these types of waiting in lines, where we loose many man-hours. Right from the Fair Priced Shops where a low remunerated person stands in the Q, to the airports where the Hi-Fi gentry has to stand in Q’s to get their turn.
7. Therefore, we at the HR are to blame for the ignorance of the IP’s or the proper response that we seem to be deprived of by the Doctor’s or the Staff of the ESIC Department. We should take time out to visit the ESIC and throw our weight around and let the Department know that it is we, because of whom the department is in business.
8. I have been meeting the Branch Managers, Area Inspectors and other higher Officials and we all discuss the matters which are interrelated to the better understanding and working for the benefit of the IP’s. The Government also has taken many steps to ease the problems regarding the reimbursements etc and still some suggestions and amendments are always on the table which the Government implements for the betterment and providing the best medical facilities to the IP’s. For Hi-Fi diseases one needs Hi-Fi facilities. All this has come within the grasp of a low paid IP just because of ESIC.
9. My very humble proposition to all in the HR Department is to take interest in the ESIC matters and fight for a noble cause to help the IP’s get the benefits meted out by the Government to the deserving ones. Side by side we should also refrain from supporting unjustified case as this in turn cannot help us to stand boldly in front of the Defaulting Personnel’s of ESIC.
My intention is not to hurt the feelings or to pass judgment on the working capabilities of HR Personnel’s and if by the way someone feels so I would express regret in advance for the same. This has been done only in the interest of the Working Class person’s who have to fight against the High Cost of Treatment by Specialist Doctor’s, which is only possible through the ESIC during this high inflation period.
Mails are welcome whether from Critics or from those appreciating the Cause.
My personal ID is:
Rahman Dy. Mgr. HR/Co-Ordination
From India, Dehra Dun
I really agree with the same.
But ………….
There is vast difference between the speculative Calculations and those that come in practical use in the daily life of an Employed Personnel.
I, myself, am taking care of the matters regarding the ESIC and what my experience is you will be surprised to note.
1. The ESIC Staff and the Dispensary Staff in our range of Hardwar are very accommodating and helpful in every matter, no matter how tedious it is. They even go out of their way to help out the IP to get the utmost benefits they can avail of.
2. It is not the responsibility of the ESIC to go to the house of the IP to get their treatment done from ESIC. We at the posts of HR should train and update the IP’s about the benefits of going to the ESIC for their treatment. If we ourselves don’t educate the IP’s about this then they are stuck with a tarnished picture about the treatment the unsympathetic performance meted out by the Government Dispensaries.
3. If we note any short coming from the part of the ESIC, we at the HR Department, should leave no stone unturned to get the things done right, even if we have to approach the higher level Officers. Our experience is that if the HR educates the IP’s about the benefits of the ESIC, then, I sure hope that most of the IP’s will get their treatment from the ESIC Dispensaries. In our Company at the slightest feeling of sickness or not feeling well they go to the Dispensary and get Medicine for themselves. Many a times I have checked and found that the medicine they are given free of cost amounts to not less than 50 to 70 Rupees.
4. The Doctors are very courteous and respond to the patient’s sickness with concentration and precedence. If any syndrome or analysis is out of their reach they then in turn refer the patient to higher authorities for the best in investigation and treatment.
5. In one unpleasant incident of our IP the Medical Commissioner of our range took the trouble to get involved personally (even though he was at the airport getting ready to embark a flight) and got the matters sorted out and the problem was solved at top priority, the IP getting the benefit.
6. As for the long Q’s in the ESIC Dispensaries, it is not as it is in the Clinics and Nursing Homes of Private Doctors in the lower category or in the higher category. These types of Q’s are a part of our daily lives and we are used to all these types of waiting in lines, where we loose many man-hours. Right from the Fair Priced Shops where a low remunerated person stands in the Q, to the airports where the Hi-Fi gentry has to stand in Q’s to get their turn.
7. Therefore, we at the HR are to blame for the ignorance of the IP’s or the proper response that we seem to be deprived of by the Doctor’s or the Staff of the ESIC Department. We should take time out to visit the ESIC and throw our weight around and let the Department know that it is we, because of whom the department is in business.
8. I have been meeting the Branch Managers, Area Inspectors and other higher Officials and we all discuss the matters which are interrelated to the better understanding and working for the benefit of the IP’s. The Government also has taken many steps to ease the problems regarding the reimbursements etc and still some suggestions and amendments are always on the table which the Government implements for the betterment and providing the best medical facilities to the IP’s. For Hi-Fi diseases one needs Hi-Fi facilities. All this has come within the grasp of a low paid IP just because of ESIC.
9. My very humble proposition to all in the HR Department is to take interest in the ESIC matters and fight for a noble cause to help the IP’s get the benefits meted out by the Government to the deserving ones. Side by side we should also refrain from supporting unjustified case as this in turn cannot help us to stand boldly in front of the Defaulting Personnel’s of ESIC.
My intention is not to hurt the feelings or to pass judgment on the working capabilities of HR Personnel’s and if by the way someone feels so I would express regret in advance for the same. This has been done only in the interest of the Working Class person’s who have to fight against the High Cost of Treatment by Specialist Doctor’s, which is only possible through the ESIC during this high inflation period.
Mails are welcome whether from Critics or from those appreciating the Cause.
My personal ID is:
Rahman Dy. Mgr. HR/Co-Ordination
From India, Dehra Dun
Dearceiling of ESI has not been yet raised .it is beeing proposed by ESIC chairmanand ESIC body has passed the resolution,amendment in any act is made when i\resolution passed by by both houses of parliament and finally signed by president of india,than only notification is issued.there are some resolution passed by different bodies but not implimented yet.take example of PF applicablity--board of trutees passed resollution long back to make change in applicablity clause of P F to reduce no of employees to 10 from 20 for applicablity of PF but no amendment is made till now.dear wait for govt of india to pass amendment bill in parliament than only notification will come.
From India, Delhi
From India, Delhi
Hi,
Its extra burden to the employer, on the other hand dead investment for employee, Our ESIC is not able to issue the ESIC card to the existing member's itself, How can we think about the benefit of this scheme.
From India
Its extra burden to the employer, on the other hand dead investment for employee, Our ESIC is not able to issue the ESIC card to the existing member's itself, How can we think about the benefit of this scheme.
From India
Dear,
The date of applicability has not yet been notified. May be the applicability will be w.e.f 1st Oct( which is not confirmed yet).
So as if now we can work according to 10k limit....
warm Regards
Sumiksha
The date of applicability has not yet been notified. May be the applicability will be w.e.f 1st Oct( which is not confirmed yet).
So as if now we can work according to 10k limit....
warm Regards
Sumiksha
The Employees' State Insurance (Central) Amendment Rules,2010. Notification by Ministry of Labour
From India, Hyderabad
From India, Hyderabad
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Notification Regarding enhancement of Wage ceiling for ESI w.e.f. 01st May 2010.pdf