Hi,
I was employed with an MNC in 2008, I had forged my CV and submitted a forged certificate of 1 of my previous experiences. My actual experience with that employer whose certificate I forged was from July 2007 till October 2007 and I edited it to Feb 2007 till October 2007. I was a fresher and did not know that Employers actually verify certificates and can take serious actions. I came to know only after the offer was rolled out to me by this MNC. I know I shouldn't have done that but it happened in immaturity. I was asked to leave that MNC or was told that I will be terminated either, when they found this about me. I chose to resign and leave. The HR was really too rude and told me to write my reason for resignation in a paper, to accept what I had done. I wrote it and signed off. She told me I will not be getting any relieving for the period (3 months) I worked. I did not utter a word. She told me she will blacklist me in the complete financial services industry such that I never get employed anywhere for this sin I committed. I was absolutely broken by this. But just after a span of 2 months I got an opportunity with an MNC again, but was not as big as this one, a mediocore firm, with whom I am working for 1 and a half years now. I had told them in the beginning itself what had actually happened with me and why I had to leave. They were happy with my honesty and hired me at a better pay as well. I had applied through a referral actually, and was taken in very easily. As it was a small and growing company, I could see some such cases were people were taken with worse backgrounds than mine. The company is really happy with my work and has given me role changes twice, no change in designation though. But now I am looking for a change. I had submitted the offer letter of that MNC here as I didn't have salary slips.
Now my questions are:
Firstly, why do companies do the background check after you have completed so much time in the organisation?
Secondly, was my mistake such a big thing to throw me out?
Thirdly, similar case was heard in that same MNC who threw me, and that person was not thrown out as he had developed a very good rapport with his manager, why was this so? That person forged his salary slip I heard.
Fourthly, I don't want to mention those three months of my life anywhere, is that good?
Fifthly, Is it really true that I am blacklisted?
Sixthly, if I do not mention these 3 months, is it possible for anyone to phase out even in background checks?
Lastly, I want to be honest in future, but I am really scared of losing opportunities, what should I do?
Please advise.
From India, Bangalore
1I was employed with an MNC in 2008, I had forged my CV and submitted a forged certificate of 1 of my previous experiences. My actual experience with that employer whose certificate I forged was from July 2007 till October 2007 and I edited it to Feb 2007 till October 2007. I was a fresher and did not know that Employers actually verify certificates and can take serious actions. I came to know only after the offer was rolled out to me by this MNC. I know I shouldn't have done that but it happened in immaturity. I was asked to leave that MNC or was told that I will be terminated either, when they found this about me. I chose to resign and leave. The HR was really too rude and told me to write my reason for resignation in a paper, to accept what I had done. I wrote it and signed off. She told me I will not be getting any relieving for the period (3 months) I worked. I did not utter a word. She told me she will blacklist me in the complete financial services industry such that I never get employed anywhere for this sin I committed. I was absolutely broken by this. But just after a span of 2 months I got an opportunity with an MNC again, but was not as big as this one, a mediocore firm, with whom I am working for 1 and a half years now. I had told them in the beginning itself what had actually happened with me and why I had to leave. They were happy with my honesty and hired me at a better pay as well. I had applied through a referral actually, and was taken in very easily. As it was a small and growing company, I could see some such cases were people were taken with worse backgrounds than mine. The company is really happy with my work and has given me role changes twice, no change in designation though. But now I am looking for a change. I had submitted the offer letter of that MNC here as I didn't have salary slips.
Now my questions are:
Firstly, why do companies do the background check after you have completed so much time in the organisation?
Secondly, was my mistake such a big thing to throw me out?
Thirdly, similar case was heard in that same MNC who threw me, and that person was not thrown out as he had developed a very good rapport with his manager, why was this so? That person forged his salary slip I heard.
Fourthly, I don't want to mention those three months of my life anywhere, is that good?
Fifthly, Is it really true that I am blacklisted?
Sixthly, if I do not mention these 3 months, is it possible for anyone to phase out even in background checks?
Lastly, I want to be honest in future, but I am really scared of losing opportunities, what should I do?
Please advise.
From India, Bangalore
Hi Friend,
I read your post couple of days back.....mine case was the same as yours even i forged my CV by changing my dates of work experience ........i received the offer letter from my new employer and joined the company...but after 3-4 days of my joining i stopped going to office as i know that the company will ask me to leave as MNC these days are very strict towards integrity issues...I was terminated from my services within a week's time....and i accepted it as all this happened because of my fault....,...now my question is that can i be restrained from being joining any other company in future.( i have corrected my CV now) .......
From India, Delhi
I read your post couple of days back.....mine case was the same as yours even i forged my CV by changing my dates of work experience ........i received the offer letter from my new employer and joined the company...but after 3-4 days of my joining i stopped going to office as i know that the company will ask me to leave as MNC these days are very strict towards integrity issues...I was terminated from my services within a week's time....and i accepted it as all this happened because of my fault....,...now my question is that can i be restrained from being joining any other company in future.( i have corrected my CV now) .......
From India, Delhi
Hello, Kindly see inline responses (in blue)! Regards samvedan Decemer 24, 2010 — — — — — — — — — — -
From India, Pune
From India, Pune
Hello sk2606,
It's good that you have posted about your experience so candidly--a lesson for all those in this Forum who have the inclination/yearning to learn from mistakes committed by 'OTHERS', rather than wait until they themselves make mistakes & learn the hard way.
The bottom-line lesson is this: Honesty is ALWAYS the Best policy.
Coming to your queries:
Firstly, why do companies do the background check after you have completed so much time in the organisation?
Ans: I don't think it happens by choice--in your company, it just must have taken so much time due to the long line of new-joinees to be verified--more of operational delay than anything else.
Secondly, was my mistake such a big thing to throw me out?
Ans: A dishonest act is ALWAYS a dishonest act. There's nothing called a small lie & a big lie. Also, organisations don't act based on the present, but the consequences of such an act if committed later as a part of your job. There's no guarantee that it won't be repeated in the job--all such a dishonest person would look for is a justification to be dishonest. It's neither practical nor desirable that an employee is allowed to work with his/her honesty/integrity being under a cloud all thru.
Thirdly, similar case was heard in that same MNC who threw me, and that person was not thrown out as he had developed a very good rapport with his manager, why was this so? That person forged his salary slip I heard.
Ans: If what you mention is true [which I really doubt, since integrity issues are taken very seriously now-a-days], there could be 'hazaar' reasons for it. Does it absolve you of the necessity to be honest? Suggest focus on what's in your hands or what you ought to be doing. Just because another person is dishonest doesn't & shouldn't give you a reason/justification to follow the same path. If you also want to cut corners, be prepared to pay the price too for it, since such things invariably have the habit of coming out into open.
Fourthly, I don't want to mention those three months of my life anywhere, is that good?
Ans: Since it's at the beginning of your career, it shouldn't matter. If any Company raises it, you can pass it off as 'looking for a suitable job'. Most companies usually ignore a career-gap of until about 6-8 months of passing-out. So pl don't worry too much on this aspect. had this gap been between 2 jobs, that would have been a different matter.
Fifthly, Is it really true that I am blacklisted?
Ans: I am not sure she actually did it. Else you wouldn't have got your present job. So odn't loose your sleep over this point--just put your full focus on the present job do your best.
Sixthly, if I do not mention these 3 months, is it possible for anyone to phase out even in background checks?
Ans: When you don't mention anything, what do you think will come out of any BC anyone does reg you? They do the BC w.r.t. what you mention in your records. So pl don't worry on this point too.
Lastly, I want to be honest in future, but I am really scared of losing opportunities, what should I do?
Ans: It's time you decide what your priorities are--to land up with a 'good' job [pl note 'your' definition of 'good' job will vary from others' definitions] by hook or crook OR to follow the basic ethical practices & take what comes commensurate with your capabilities--NOT commensurate to your greed. In a way, you should count yourself lucky or have HIS blessings--whichever way you want to look @ it--since you faced a situation where the ethical aspects of a career got highlighted in the first few months of your life. Just imagine if the same situation cropped-up much later in your life? You would have earned a high position by then, and you would be loosing much, much more then than now. If you care to see around, you will find examples galore--Satyam Ramalinga Raju, the present crop of scams, etc. Would anyone give the same level of respect/trust to them now? The choice is your's--how you want your life to take shape. I recollect a quote here: In nature, there are no rewards or punishments, only consequences.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
It's good that you have posted about your experience so candidly--a lesson for all those in this Forum who have the inclination/yearning to learn from mistakes committed by 'OTHERS', rather than wait until they themselves make mistakes & learn the hard way.
The bottom-line lesson is this: Honesty is ALWAYS the Best policy.
Coming to your queries:
Firstly, why do companies do the background check after you have completed so much time in the organisation?
Ans: I don't think it happens by choice--in your company, it just must have taken so much time due to the long line of new-joinees to be verified--more of operational delay than anything else.
Secondly, was my mistake such a big thing to throw me out?
Ans: A dishonest act is ALWAYS a dishonest act. There's nothing called a small lie & a big lie. Also, organisations don't act based on the present, but the consequences of such an act if committed later as a part of your job. There's no guarantee that it won't be repeated in the job--all such a dishonest person would look for is a justification to be dishonest. It's neither practical nor desirable that an employee is allowed to work with his/her honesty/integrity being under a cloud all thru.
Thirdly, similar case was heard in that same MNC who threw me, and that person was not thrown out as he had developed a very good rapport with his manager, why was this so? That person forged his salary slip I heard.
Ans: If what you mention is true [which I really doubt, since integrity issues are taken very seriously now-a-days], there could be 'hazaar' reasons for it. Does it absolve you of the necessity to be honest? Suggest focus on what's in your hands or what you ought to be doing. Just because another person is dishonest doesn't & shouldn't give you a reason/justification to follow the same path. If you also want to cut corners, be prepared to pay the price too for it, since such things invariably have the habit of coming out into open.
Fourthly, I don't want to mention those three months of my life anywhere, is that good?
Ans: Since it's at the beginning of your career, it shouldn't matter. If any Company raises it, you can pass it off as 'looking for a suitable job'. Most companies usually ignore a career-gap of until about 6-8 months of passing-out. So pl don't worry too much on this aspect. had this gap been between 2 jobs, that would have been a different matter.
Fifthly, Is it really true that I am blacklisted?
Ans: I am not sure she actually did it. Else you wouldn't have got your present job. So odn't loose your sleep over this point--just put your full focus on the present job do your best.
Sixthly, if I do not mention these 3 months, is it possible for anyone to phase out even in background checks?
Ans: When you don't mention anything, what do you think will come out of any BC anyone does reg you? They do the BC w.r.t. what you mention in your records. So pl don't worry on this point too.
Lastly, I want to be honest in future, but I am really scared of losing opportunities, what should I do?
Ans: It's time you decide what your priorities are--to land up with a 'good' job [pl note 'your' definition of 'good' job will vary from others' definitions] by hook or crook OR to follow the basic ethical practices & take what comes commensurate with your capabilities--NOT commensurate to your greed. In a way, you should count yourself lucky or have HIS blessings--whichever way you want to look @ it--since you faced a situation where the ethical aspects of a career got highlighted in the first few months of your life. Just imagine if the same situation cropped-up much later in your life? You would have earned a high position by then, and you would be loosing much, much more then than now. If you care to see around, you will find examples galore--Satyam Ramalinga Raju, the present crop of scams, etc. Would anyone give the same level of respect/trust to them now? The choice is your's--how you want your life to take shape. I recollect a quote here: In nature, there are no rewards or punishments, only consequences.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
Greetings,
I have nothing new to add here. I post this to appreciate and extend my gratefulness to Samvedan and Satheesh.
It’s so well defined and completely explained, I believe anyone who would read this post would learn the lesson. Thank you for putting it so appropriately.
I pray those who undermine ethics take a leaf out of this and learn a lesson. Thank you, once again for this initiative.
Regards,
(Cite Contribution)
From India, Mumbai
I have nothing new to add here. I post this to appreciate and extend my gratefulness to Samvedan and Satheesh.
It’s so well defined and completely explained, I believe anyone who would read this post would learn the lesson. Thank you for putting it so appropriately.
I pray those who undermine ethics take a leaf out of this and learn a lesson. Thank you, once again for this initiative.
Regards,
(Cite Contribution)
From India, Mumbai
Thanks a lot to all the people here, who shared and helped me out with their views. I am much better now and infact leaving that job has headed a new turn in my life. I have stably completed 2 years in another company now and have also been able to earn a good growth here.
@Sateesh - Just wanted to add, this job was in between my career and not the start of it. Like I started my career in 2007 May and switched jobs very frequently due to inappropriate profiles coming my way and in search of something which can let me be stable. From May 2007 till July 2008 I had worked for 4 companies and joined this MNC in July 2008 end. And this MNC's profile was very different from all the earlier jobs. So this Job was a new start in the new profile. Eventually 5th Job in my career. In that case, again would it be fine if I take it off my CV? I was a fresher in this new industry as had worked with Indian companies till then and had hardly stayed in any company for more than 6 months.
From India, Bangalore
@Sateesh - Just wanted to add, this job was in between my career and not the start of it. Like I started my career in 2007 May and switched jobs very frequently due to inappropriate profiles coming my way and in search of something which can let me be stable. From May 2007 till July 2008 I had worked for 4 companies and joined this MNC in July 2008 end. And this MNC's profile was very different from all the earlier jobs. So this Job was a new start in the new profile. Eventually 5th Job in my career. In that case, again would it be fine if I take it off my CV? I was a fresher in this new industry as had worked with Indian companies till then and had hardly stayed in any company for more than 6 months.
From India, Bangalore
Hello sk2606,
I guess I got the dates wrong--thank you for the correction.
Since the said situation came in-between jobs, I agree with Samvedan that it's appropriate to show that exp too. You don't need to mention the reaosn in your resume, but be prepared to speak the truth if & when asked in the Interviews--tell them the truth & also that you learned your lesson. If the Company has an INHERENT culture of appreciating anyone who speaks the truth [in a way that would be an indirect indication for YOU if that company is meant for you], you are sure to be hired--assuming you perform well in other aspects. If they give you the pass, just move forward--don't waste your time on such companies who preach speaking the truth but practice it only out-of-convenience.
But since you mentioned you changed 4 jobs in 3.5 yrs [even though you seem to be stable since 2008, quite a few HR persons may not look @ it the same way], it could be better if you stay in the current job for another year or so--that would conclusively prove that you are, BY NATURE, stable & the initial frequent changes were more of an aberration [at worst] or an act of someone trying to get his moorings [at best] than regular practice.
ALL THE BEST.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
I guess I got the dates wrong--thank you for the correction.
Since the said situation came in-between jobs, I agree with Samvedan that it's appropriate to show that exp too. You don't need to mention the reaosn in your resume, but be prepared to speak the truth if & when asked in the Interviews--tell them the truth & also that you learned your lesson. If the Company has an INHERENT culture of appreciating anyone who speaks the truth [in a way that would be an indirect indication for YOU if that company is meant for you], you are sure to be hired--assuming you perform well in other aspects. If they give you the pass, just move forward--don't waste your time on such companies who preach speaking the truth but practice it only out-of-convenience.
But since you mentioned you changed 4 jobs in 3.5 yrs [even though you seem to be stable since 2008, quite a few HR persons may not look @ it the same way], it could be better if you stay in the current job for another year or so--that would conclusively prove that you are, BY NATURE, stable & the initial frequent changes were more of an aberration [at worst] or an act of someone trying to get his moorings [at best] than regular practice.
ALL THE BEST.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
Hello sk2606,
All one can say is: ALL THE BEST.
Also, why not participate in CiteHR in sharing your experiences and/or utilizing your experience in resolving others' problems & showing the right way? That would be a nicer way of learning further I guess.
All the Best, once again.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
All one can say is: ALL THE BEST.
Also, why not participate in CiteHR in sharing your experiences and/or utilizing your experience in resolving others' problems & showing the right way? That would be a nicer way of learning further I guess.
All the Best, once again.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
similar case was heard in that same MNC who threw me, and that person was not thrown out as he had developed a very good rapport with his manager, why was this so? That person forged his salary slip I heard.
Attribution: https://www.citehr.com/231911-blackl...#ixzz229rhiuSg
Life mein honesty ki koi value nahi rahi, sab MNC mein manager ke hath pav pakadne padte hain, aur tumhare sath jo hua uske life bahot afsoos ho raha hain, aur jo indian management hain wo professional hai hi nahi, sab apna personal benefit beech mein laate hain, if you would have had good rappot with his manager then you too would have not got thrown out.
Aadhe MNC mein sab incompetent fools bhare hue hain, jinko unke field ka ABC nahi aata lekin solid reference ke sath job mila hain.
From India, Madras
Attribution: https://www.citehr.com/231911-blackl...#ixzz229rhiuSg
Life mein honesty ki koi value nahi rahi, sab MNC mein manager ke hath pav pakadne padte hain, aur tumhare sath jo hua uske life bahot afsoos ho raha hain, aur jo indian management hain wo professional hai hi nahi, sab apna personal benefit beech mein laate hain, if you would have had good rappot with his manager then you too would have not got thrown out.
Aadhe MNC mein sab incompetent fools bhare hue hain, jinko unke field ka ABC nahi aata lekin solid reference ke sath job mila hain.
From India, Madras
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