Manish2678
Hr Executive
Ybalajisantosh
Employee Relationship, Grievance Handling,
Dhinakaran
Dgm - Hr And Admin
Htareen
Hr Manager
Rajuak33@gmail.com
Research Associate
+1 Other

Thread Started by #Dhinakaran

Hi all :

I have recently joined the Organisation and head the HR.

We have a HR Executive whose qualifications is LLB and has provided a copy of the marks sheet from a northern University which is available in his personal file. He had joined the Organisation about 1.5 yrs than me.

In his correspondence both internal and external, I have never come across any legal word even by mistake.

Even for a simple letter directing an unauthorised employee to report back for duty immediately and offer a written explanation, his draft was bad which had to be corrected.

This leaves me with a great doubt - and hope I am wrong - whether he has really passed his LLB examination or not and whether the qualification certificate is a genuine one or not.

He being the HR Executive, and also having been in the Organisation earlier to me, I am not able to question him about the authenticity of the certificate which I am afraid will not be liked by the Management also.

Under such circumstances, pls help me as to how I can make sure that the educational qualifications of employees are genuine ones especially the one I had referred above of the HR Exec.

Rgds

:: Dhinakaran
13th February 2007 From India, Hyderabad
Hi, Please get the copy of the degree and send it to registrar for verification, they will return back by post with verification stamp. Regards Tareen
14th February 2007 From China
Dear Tareen :
Thks for the suggestion, but I feel that it will be time consuming and cannot be dealt in confidentiality.
Also, I wonder if the Registrar's offices will be able to comply to our request just be a correspondence from the Organisation with regard to the geneuninity of the certificates.
Pls comment
Rgds
:: Dhinakaran
14th February 2007 From India, Hyderabad
IT IS NOT NECESSARY THAT, IF U PASSED LLB THEN YOUR DRAFTING SHOULD BE VERY GOOD.. IT MAY BE POSSIBLE THAT AFTER DOING HIS LLB HE DIRECTLY JOINED THE CO. AND DIDN'T PRACTICE BUT U MENTIONED THAT IT WAS TOO BAD THEN IT IS A SERIOUS MATTER BECUZ A LLB & HAVING IN HR HE SHOULD BE WELL VERSED IN CORRESPONDENCE.. U CAN SEE HIS CERTIFICATE AND CAN VERIFY FROM THE COLLEGE...OR U CAN ASK HIM SOME LAW RELATED QUESTIONS WHICH IS COMMON FOR A LLB STUDENT.. AFTER ASKING U CAN MAKE AN IDEA...
REGARDS
MANISH
14th February 2007 From India, Delhi
Dear Dinakaran,
This is the only way u can get the genuinitity, college or university registrar can verify that the certificate is geniun, no matter how long it takes.
Issue a memorandum and inform the employees that from onward every documents will be verified by the department.
For future add one clue in the application form, mentioning that IF ANY INFORMATION FOUND FALSE, Services will be terminated with immediate effect.
15th February 2007 From China
Dear Manisha :
Thks for ur comments.
The point I would like to make is, having passed LLB exam, in the correspondence, a bit scent of legal words has to be there - which is missing in our Person.
Also, matters relating to disciplinary actions, the involvement of him advising legal consequences is also missing.
Hence the question of verfication of the certificates has risen in my mind.
Shall look into the possibilities of contacting the registrar and shall keep all informed of the results, just for info.
Rgds
:: Dhinakaran
15th February 2007 From India, Hyderabad
I think it is right for you to chech the authenticity of the certificate. It is obligatory that the register certifies the certicficates from his or her
university.You can inform the registrar to treat the information confidential. Indeed verification of authenticity of certificates are normal HR procedure and you do not have anything to fear.
However you also appreciate that if the vertificate is fake then the employee would have contact to intercept any correspondence in respect of his certificate
Good luck
Paa Kow
15th February 2007 From Ghana, Kumasi
If you see the posts made by many members in citehr, I have seen their posts of requests, for help etc.

Their english language is really horrible and the introduce themselves as HR Manager, Sr.HR Executive and so on.

So when a HR Manager, Sr.HR Executive that too in citehr, doesnt even know how to draft a request, then what the hell they are performing in their job.

AND YOU LIKE A POLICE DOUBTING THE INTEGRITY OF A HR EXECUTIVE < THAT TOO IN UR OWN ORGANISATION < WHO IS A YOUR COLLEAGUE,

im too hurt by this .... :-x:-x

You know there are many many students, pursuing courses in many many colleges, they work all year and duringexam times manage to study and pass, and may be after the exams are over they might not remember what they studied.

And drafting legal words, letters, comes from experience and not from just learning LLB.

In my organisation, I am in close relation with my Admn-Legal Head and our Advocate, so I interact with them closely and go through their letters, and whenever i draft any letter, then I remember their written correspondence and take reference from it, and add some legal words in my letter, if required.

THANKS :-D:-D
1st June 2008 From India, Pune
What legal advice you expect from your person, if he is not trained / never done any legal job ,
then as HR why dont you train him, and assume that his LLB certificate is genuine.
But your thinking goes somewhere else, you are interested in checking his certificate and somehow terminate him.
HR should train and develop a person.
Look for aspects other than legal in your person, look for some qualities which are good in that person.
Dont take one point legal and proceed with terminating him.
And I think it is not ethical to verify certificates of old candidates, for new candidates u do verify.
But for already working candidates, it is not good in the interest of organisation and not recommended
1st June 2008 From India, Pune
Dear All,
To take the fake degrees is very simple now a days. Even someone has taken the admission for the genuine degree. He complete his course in the decided duration but the University or Institute provide the fake educational certificate. Candidate is not aware of that. Because There are Many fraud Institute in educational field. They are not having the affiliation from the University but they are getting the education done from the relevant University. Even University do not know the Institute. If you really want to check the educational documents from the University. There is a process for each University. Please contact them. They will tell about the verification process.
Thank you
Raju
14th September 2016 From India, undefined
Dear Dhinakaran,
We are all Indians and in India, it is not very uncommon to see post graduates struggling hard to draft letters. There are many backward states in India where it is easier to get a genuine degree from an university. The point is not weather the guy has a genuine degree or not, but the point is how to improve the performance of the available resource or replacement of the resource.
If you help him in improving his performance, he shall be ever grateful and obedient to you. However, if you are seeing zero improvement after providing your inputs, you can give him some time to look out for a change.
Hope this helps.
14th September 2016 From India, Madras
Dear Dhinakaran,

It would be really bad if you personally go for verification of the certificates of your colleagues rather you can educate or convince your management to implement background verification of all employees both educational & professional but make sure not to take your colleague name as a benefit of doubt for starting this process.

Doing verification for one particular candidate is not correct until unless the management decides to do so.

If you still feel to go ahead with verification process for your colleague and what if your doubt proved to be wrong ? Then,it would be evident to the management that you are trying to corner certain candidate and you will be under radar which may leads to dismissal of your employment.

As said by other citehr friends, these days drafting skills are really bad with most of the working professionals.

I would suggest you to take initiative for conducting soft-skill training sessions / email etiquette sessions at your Organization as you are heading the HR Team which also add feathers to your cap and you will be recognized.

Hope my suggestion would add value to your query.

Thanks & Regards

Ramu Kakitha

9160987715

For Kakitha Corporate Services Pvt Ltd
14th September 2016 From India, Hyderabad
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