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Hi All,

I need a small help.. i got to know from the website and cite HR that minimum wages for punjab and haryana are revised for unskilled worker.. i want to know is thr any rule for minimum PF to be payed.. say my basic i have kept 1400.. and i m paying Rs 168 (12% of basic).. is it as per law.. or problem.. total i m paying him 3594 ruppes per month..

please help.. this is for punjab..

if there is minimum PF for haryana plzz do mention...

thanx a lot.. will wait for a correct reply..
5th May 2009 From India, Mumbai
Dear Rohit As per my knowledge the PF should not be less than the 12% of minimum wages decided by the govt. So the minimum wage decides the Minimum PF amount Regs Naveen
5th May 2009 From India, Mumbai
minimu wage specified by punjab is Rs 3594 for unskilled labor.. so does that mean that i have to pay 431.28 rs (12%).. is it that the minimum wage specified has to be the basic salary.. or the minimum wage specified can be bifurcated by us...
plzz reply..
5th May 2009 From India, Mumbai
Dear Rohit As in Himachal we can change only 5% of the minimum wage, it means 95% of the minimum wage have to be kept as basic.Please confirm the same in Punjab & Haryana. Regs Naveen
5th May 2009 From India, Mumbai
dear rhoit/naveen
it is not like that and there is no relaxation of 5%.you have to pay PF on minimum wages.after the decision in group four security case ,PF dept has issued circular
that there should not be bifurcation of minimum wages and PF should be paid on minimum wages of state.so you have to pay 12% of minimum wages of state.
tks
j s malik
5th May 2009 From India, Delhi
PF contribution is 12% of the basic salary and minimum basic wage is decided by the Labour Department. There is no relaxation on minimum basic wage as Mr. Malik said.

I am enclosing here with Notification of revised minimum basic wage of Haryana w.e.f. 1st April 2009 for your reference.

Regards

Pankaj Chandan
6th May 2009 From India, New delhi

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Dear Naveen
Kindly check for Circular issued by RPFC, Faridabad, Ref. No. PA/RC(II)/Misc./05/6856 dated 04.01.2006 for said changes noting the deduction of EPF on Minimum Wages in Haryana.
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Mikky Vij
6th May 2009 From India, New Delhi
dear pls find attach letter of regional office gurgaon. tks j s malik
6th May 2009 From India, Delhi

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Thanks a lot Mr. Malik, The notification is for Haryana but iam talking about the relexation of 5% in Himachal Pradesh there is relexation of 5% to Bifurcate the min wage. Regs Naveen
6th May 2009 From India, Mumbai
but sir u have provided the minimum wages.. i want to know is there a rule that we have to pit 12% of minimum wageas PF. for Punjab as per govt minm wage is 3594 for unskilled and my minm wage can be basic + DA + HRA.. but PF is to be on Basic only.. so is it ok if my PF is on 1400 rups thats the basic in that minm wage of 3594..??.. i hope u get my quesn..
6th May 2009 From India, Mumbai
So far as the EPF is concerned, the contribution by both the employer and employee is on the minimum wages. The minimum wages includes basic pay + dearness allowance. This can be a single component or in two components (i.e., minimum basic + DA at the rate prescribed by the Labour Department of the State Government). This is the correct position.
S. Krishnamoorthy
7th May 2009 From United States, Roslindale
CAN SOMEBODY PROVIDE THE COPY OF THE CASE , J.M.A. Industries Ltd. V/s R.P.F. Commissioner, Faridabad REGARDING DEDUCTION OF PF ON MINIMUM WAGES AMOUNT.
7th May 2009 From India, Delhi
Malik sir,
I have the same querry. If we are paying the gross wages more than the minimum wages and we are deducting the EPF on less amount than minimum wages. One of my lawyer advised me, it is ok; becoz we are paying more than minimum wages. And after observing group four circular, i felt wrong.Is it ok ? pls advise.
Rgds\\vp

8th May 2009 From India, Noida
Dear
You can have the copy of the JMA LTd case at the following link
https://www.citehr.com/32490-bifurca...mum-wages.html
Regards
25th July 2009 From India, Ludhiana
Dear Vidhi What are you trying to say It seems that something went wrong with your key board.
28th July 2009 From India, Ludhiana
Can any body give me any decesion reference from a high court or a supreme court. the internal guidelines of Pfd department do not become law. there is no specific reference of paymant of Pf on minimum wages in PF act. An internal guideline by a CPFO or High court judgement ( can be enforced on that state only) or a Suprenme court judgement will be applicable on Union of India. Can some body give a copy of Group 4judgement and its exact status now? .Is the matter in Supreme court or there is judgement from supreme court on that. All pf inspectors come and say that there is an internal guideline to pay Pf on minimum wages-- But no body has shown me any guidelines. Can any body help with present status-- internal guideline by CPFO or a court judgement on this
2nd October 2009 From India, New Delhi
As in Himachal we can change only 5% of the minimum wage, it means 95% of the minimum wage have to be kept as basic.Please confirm the same in Punjab & Haryana.
Regs
Naveen[/QUOTE]
Mr Naveen can you please attach relevant circular of PF department in this regard, since they are the compentent authority...
Narayanan
3rd March 2010 From India, Madras
Mr Naveen can you please attach relevant circular of PF department in this regard, since they are the compentent authority...

Narayanan[/QUOTE]

Dear Narayanan

Could you please forward me the details of the notification of H.P. Govt. allowing 5% change in the minimum wages fixed.

Further, I have gone through the matter in Punjab and has seen that there is no such saying in the notifications issued by the Punjab Govt on minimum wages. The notifications are silent - whether 5% or whole of the minimum wages can be structured in such a way that the carry home salary of the employee is never less than the minimum prescribed.

I can tell you that the Hon'ble High Court of Punjab and Haryana has admitted the writ filed by an employer and has stayed the operation of the impugned order passed by the Labour authorities who were demanding the difference of the minimum wages, where the basic wage was less than the MW, but the carry home is more than the MW fixed.

Further, I have also come across the verdit of the EPF Appellate Tribunal setting aside the order of the 7-A authority demanding PF on minimum wages rather than the basic wages. I am attaching the extract of journal section of 2009 LLR 233.

Regards
31st May 2010 From India, Ludhiana

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Dear All Please find the attached file contains Clarification of bifurcation by Labour Office to EPF Office Himachal . Regs Naveen
1st June 2010 From India, Mumbai

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Hi all, Can you pls share me the Attested & Revised Minimum Wages Notification W.e.f. 01.11.2015. Regards, Surender Kuamr
25th November 2015 From India, Haldwani
Dear Naveen Talogta Ji, Can your please share any Notification/Amendment/Gazette related to the splitting of Minimum wages into 95% of Basic & 5% of HRA in Himachal Pradesh. Regards, Harpreet
11th January 2016 From India, Chandigarh
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