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agreed with kaviTHA ,, but one line is confusing I agree to it and nice to know that a male has said so... seems kaviTHA is too engrossed in VAFI,, so this male female diff :-?:-?:-?:-?
From India, Pune
I feel sorry for people like Ravi who always wish to have the last laugh, instead of taking other's view points in correct perspective.
Dear Ravi and alike, as HR professionals we have to look at any organisational issue, small or big, from both the angles and then come to conclusion. Because HR necessarily has to play a role of a mediator between the Management and the Employees.
As for this particular case in question, I fully agree with Pankaj and those who have rationally thought over it.

From India, Delhi
The original post is really insightful. However I feel one has to be professional as an employee but at the same time smart enough to balance and manage personal life also/ may it be household work, official work or social committments.As we see, in private sector where 12 - 14 working hours are very common. Also the notional extension of working time ie. travel / commuting issues especially in metro like mumbai (specially in suburbs - Andheri East and west, kurla, ghatkoper, etc) where road traffic is really worst and bottlenecks are often. Thus, working time of 12 - 14 hours + commutting time avg 3 - 4 hrs (to&fro) on daily basis, so effectively 17 - 18 hours are spent for JOB i.e. EMPLOYEE. but, in many companies late marks are noted and dedcuted from salary (+ no pick up are provided). If employer is such ruthless, then I feel personal work can be done but WITHOUT harming organisational discipline and work culture.As against Govt. employees have better salaries + employee benefits + limited hours + more paid holidays & leave + they can keep claim on job for 1 year (in case they leave job).In fact, we may use facilities like e-business(travel booking, etc.), net - banking, courier, phone / mobile, internet which reduces our running time and works effectively.I feel that instead of mental presence in office is much required than mere physical presence.share your views.... good topic to debate!!thanks
From India, Mumbai
well well well... seems like someone is getting irritated. I addressed to you Pankaj keeping in mind your previous threads, never thought you may express yoself like thise as well. No offences to anyone, can we have a point-to-point discussion here, I guess its no yahoo or rediff chat room.

From United States, Schaumburg

As you said 5 days working will solve all your problems to do household work but let me know one thing that if 5 days working will not be allowed by the management then what will happen. Will you not manage? 5 days working is MNC culture but most of the companies follow 6 days working and that is followed from more than 4 decades. 5 days working given to employees to attract towards them and give them highlighted benefits. It doesn’t mean that it is the right of the employees now.

Attraction develops Likeness,
Likeness develops Need,
Need develops Attitude
Attitude develops habit. And habit will become right and increase conflicts.

When a HR person understands the term “Availing the benefits and giving the benefits” then he/she can able to become the strong bride between the Management and the Employees.

Don’t just think you are employee to avail the benefits. Think from employer side also how they give the benefit. Compare both - have suggestions and decide what will be the most suitable for both of them.

In spite of stressing on 5 days working (that it should be) why not we people discuss how to manage it? Experienced and professional suggestions help us a lot.

Don’t be personal be professional


Pankaj Chandan

From India, New delhi
Ravi just tell me one thing if you give 100 Rs. to a petrol pump guy and he fill petrol of only 90 Rs. then what will be your reaction. since company has hire our skill and knowledge and they are paying us for that then we should be loyal to them.
and as here many members suggest about short leave and Casual leave, i think that is better solution, but again that too not so excessive.
once try to see the things from employer side too...:icon1:

From India, Mumbai
Dear All,
To make his time felxible and work to be done organizations are providing leave with wage. So he can go for his personal works on leave (1/2 day).
If it exceeds then he can take a full day - based on the work
If an employee needs permission for 1 or 1.5 hours they can get the permission from their superiors with a proper explanation and no employer/ Manager/ Superior will refuse to give the permission on the grounds of reality.

From India, Warangal
Dear All,
I agree with Mr.Ravi. All are having leaves. We should plan our work and avail those leaves to do our personal work. In our organisation we have given holiday on every third saturday in a month to do our personal work. That is also one of the solution.
Mr.Ravi, i did not understand the concept of short leave. Is it as per labor law.

From India, Hyderabad
You are certainly right.
However, emphasis is on how to manage our time to complete our personal work without incurring any loss to the management. Ofcourse, one can plan his/her personal responsibilities in way to utilise the given facility of short leave/5days work/concierge/pooling etc. but both the parties should be flexible enough.
If employer can permit the employee hald day half for personal reasons, employee should also be ready to work extra to achieve the target.

From United States, Schaumburg
Dear Ravi
U can me make it like it is in many of the organizations.
Twice in a month, 2 hrs. of late coming or early going is fine for any personal need.
After this u may proceed further with marking the half days for the late comings as suitable.

From India, New Delhi

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