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Dear seniors,

Good Evening...

I started my career in 2004 as Executive HR and now as Assistant Manager HR in a German Mechanical Company, Am responsible for complete Human resource activities.

Our ex boss gave me all the importance, support, authority, training, knowledge & mainly respect for the position HUMAN RESOURCE. He was a good administrator.

Last mid year he was transferred back to Germany & then there was a new Boss, again a German (MANAGEMENT CHANGE). He is totally a technical person & he doesn’t have good administration or HR skills.

He finds HR dept not so important & uses me only for preparing letters, memos, printing of resumes etc etc which any front office assistant can do….

I tried to tell him the importance of HR but he just snubs me saying to stay cool.

Recently he is built a fear management in employees. People get fired if they go against or don’t accept their order. I would not even know that interviews are going on in our organization, they call me only to prepare the appointment letter.

During our ex boss the HR dept was very strong hence the management people were on control but now even they are not. They recruit on there own, fire on their own, there is no control over salary etc etcc..

Am totally confused, broken, demotivated………. Am so disturbed that I don’t get any new ideas…..

Please help me, what should I do?? Is there anything which is an eye opening for these people about Human Resource department than my usual work.

Thanks in advance

Vidya .V
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I was amased when reading this post. It defines my role exactly. As a senior HR Industrialist in Australia i have been used to full support. I recently took up a position in the Aviation Industry. What i thought would be a great opportunity has turned out to be opposite. The HR function has turned into a policy and letter writing position, all after the fact. My recommendation is that unless management changes, you will continue to have opposition against HR. Like me, i am sure you will continue to put in 150% whilst looking for another employer who will recognise the value you can contribute.
HR - Australia
Dear Seniors,
when we are in trouble the only people we think of is you guys........ How could you make us wait so long for your help and guidance.
There is no help from your end nor our company, very sad..............
Regards
Vidya
Hi,
It is a very sad situation. It is surprising to see that a german firm does not HR dept. Be cool. A day will come when he will realise the importance of HR. Till then Keep bringing to his notice the importance of HR in day to day affairs.
Good Luck
Regards,
Vijay
Vidya,
This is the situation which is out of ur control. U r in execution mode, ppl in decision making mode should hav to think the importance of HR. I am also in same situation, used to get dipressed at times, array these numb headed fellows neither know wat is HR task nor wat shud thy do. Disgusting, the other way, I keep myself motivated by sharing my ideas wit my peers, rgt here in cite HR and also providing soft skill training to school children, college students and other forums. Vidhya, don b panic, we r HR, we hav to manage ppl, manage him, wait for new boss or wait for good opening. Love ur profession n not ur organisation.
Thank You Guys, Feeling Little Light Now That Atleast You People Are Able Understand My Situation. I Cannot Share This To My Family, Friends & Colleagues......... Coz Being In A Very Strong Position & Suddenly Dumped Like This Am Not Able To Take It.......
Thanks Again
Vidhya, Being HR we hav to confront things, take it, feel it, act realistic and tat vl fetch u success. Life is full of meaningful experience.
Hi Vidya,

I am completely agree with you , because I have been experienced the same situation when I was in the midst of my HR career. In my last Job, I have also worked with one of the most Reputed MNC in logistics and that time I was going from a similar faze of my tenure. Just to add on what CHUM has advised that kindly be cool, patient and always be focused on your profile in spite of any disappointments. You will have to give your more than 100 % in your work without looking for any appreciation. Management will soon realize the importance of HR. Don’t get depressed; consider this period as a good learning experience. Wait for a change. In your next task over a period of time you will have one add on experience in your kitty.

TC.
Niel.:-P
Hi Vidhya,

Your boss is not the person who will have the ultimate power on decision making. As a HR - I believe you must have some authority on taking this forward to the Senior Mgmt (the director?? / Chairman??)
while it might sound really infeasible - well it is feasible. This is the last option.
You are not going to do anything against the laws of teh Company, well, you are just going to ask them to act within the set laws of the company.

More than anyone - the Chairman / Managing Director will be interested in retaining top talent. And - the person who is new to the Company "cannot" decide on things the way it was in this previous Geographical area!! Your Boss needs Training on Change Management!! :!:

As a HR I understand that you are not just worried abt teh fact that HR is not being respected, but it is the whole working culture that has changed - people look up to you and think that you can do something. When they trust you - why fear this German who has no clue on what it means to manage people.

Ask him if wants machines to work or if he also wants good people to control those machines. If his motto is to create a completely automated system (no humans - only robots) then... please let him take the lead..
else - Act!

What you need now is Confidence in yur self!! You have proved that you CAN - a many times. This is not the place where you need anyone else to tell you that you are good and then do what you can. You have already received these praises right? You have already been acknowledged. So - take the lead now. If he asks you to take Print out, please tell him that in this Company - our Office assistant will not be doing anything - if you do everything! And you dont wanna burden your boss by letting him know whats the actual effort in retaining people!! (he cant!)

Tell him that - he may have managed people with the same attitude and autocratic nature. But that will not work here. If he is answerable for the production, then he is also answerable for why no production is taking place (this will happen if people start leaving)

The company has set rules and procedures on Recruitment and the HR HAS TO BE PRESENT during the interview. - let it be a strict rule from the Sr. Management and NO APPOINTMENT LETTER WILL BE ISSUED IF THE RECRUITMENT PRACTISES ARE NOT WITHIN THE LAWS OF COMPANY PRACTICES. It need not look like as if YOU want it that way, but the COMPANY wants it that way.

Vidhya is a person who does not want anyone to do things on their own when there are already rules set.

I dont know if I answered you - but just want to tell you, that people trust on your capabilities to do something, dont let that just be a dream. You know what to do right?? - Yes, but do it in a way that it does not create problems for you to continue.

--- hey, discuss with your ex boss too - he will know better to guide you on this

Take care!!:)
Hello Vidya...
I understand your situation very well but please keep in mind that "patience is the biggest virtue".. Don't get demotivated and continue to put in in your best efforts in every task that you undertake...Take this as a learning experience and keep working hard..All Da Best!!!
Astha :icon1:
Dear Vidya,

Many times an HR has to face such circumstances. Not in this organization only, might be during your employment tenure you have to face such blurred situations in future too. I have faced the same situations in the initial years of my career & sometimes still facing because some bosses are in not in the favor of HR deptt as they think HR deptt is a non-revenue generating deptt as comparative to other deptts.But don’t feel sad or regret of being HR.Take interest in your boss's opinion & try to find out the reason behind it. Show the importance of your work, take initiative slowly. Stay calm & be patient. Wait for such chance where nobody can help him out except the HR.Don't loose hope, learn & try to tackle a difficult boss instead of searching a new job as this a tough time to search a job during recession. I believe that you will learn something out of it. Try to align your objectives with your company’s objectives or for the benefit of company. Think for a while from the point of view of your boss before thinking anything negative. Always remember one thing that we work for our own experience & benefit. Try to explore new ideas for yourself whether your boss appreciate it or not. Keep doing & stay positive in every situation. Take life as it comes.

Regards,
Noor
Hi Vidhya,
Appreciate your situation, but i guess that you see that we all face these types of situations too. the secret is to believe in your own abilities and self worth. ultimately your self belief and your self confidence will be your strongest ally. Tough times dont last... tough people do.
Take care & Chin Up ....:icon1:
Clyde
Dear Vidhya..

I hope that the views from many seniors might have eased you up to a great extent.. Though I m not a senior member, still want to share some of my views with you..

"HR, in the organisation is the most imp. & pillar function.. But still many senior professioanls don't understand its importance.. They need to know that HR function in a company works like a mother's role in the family.. Always trying to take care of the its people.. Trying to line up & maintain the things in the proper direction.. Motivating people, Managing them, Supporting, COunselling etc......, But still asking for no reward in the end.. They need to understand what will be the organisation's future without HR in a lead role..

I would like to suggest that please dont get dipressed or demotivated.. Just love your profession & have confidence in it.. Try to make your boss understand about this.. With your consistent & confident efforts, soon his thinking will become HR oriented..

Regards..
PMA..
Hi

Iam nithya , Assistant Manager HR .

I personally feel that your new boss would have experienced some negative incident y HR Department , s he faced an great loss. That is why he stopped giving importance to HR Department .

I Would say that now a days HR people are lacking in coordination skills , And so The management has started to work on its own because many tasks are getting delayed because of HR . This is really a bad sign , In forth coming years if this continues there will be no HR Deptmt at all .

So we must start improving the team we are handling make them understand the importance of EFFICIENT COORDINATION !! Iam just saying it generally.

As per this situation it is totally out of your control . As HR Is just bridge between Management and employees , It is upto Management to utilize the HR . So you will have to wait and see or else get into an place where HR Deptmnt is givin importance :)

Hope you are feeling better .


Hi Vidya,

its disturbing to know the situaton u r in now... but wats more disturbing is the way 'HR' ppl here are advising u to accept it as part and parcel of ur career and just lie there waitng for ur boss to suddenly have an enlightement abt the imp of HR and come to u on his own.

How do u think that will happen? will a light flash across his face from the sky and some voice tells him abt the imp of HR? or will he be dragged into a room by someone to lecture him abt the HR?

Have u ever heard of either of these things happen with anyone? I definitely dint.

In the absence of such divine interventions, i think U shud 'do' something to making him realize ur worth.

- 1st, stop waiting for him to acknolwedge ur role and involve u in everything.
- stop feeling offended abt not being informed abt things at office.
- u r experienced enuf to understand and know ur worth. use that to turn ur situation to favor u.
- u say he doesnt know anything abt HR, take it as an oppurtunity to tell him abt it.
- come up with ideas and analysis of data useful to company's growth.
- if possible, try sending these info to a person one level above ur boss...just as a CC.So that ur boss cannot ignore ur info.
- tell ur HODs firmly that if HR is not involved in the interviews then u will not issue the appointment letters. if they still dont involve u then tell them that they can take the appointment letters from the clerical staff but not u.(trust me this works. i did it in my last orgn)
- conduct skip-level meetings with the staff. stay in touch with employees. they r ur primary concern...not ur boss.

mainly,take initiative, be proactive.....and never get demotivated....

ur boss, who doesnt know anything abt ppl or HR is NOT the one who decides wat ur role in the orgn is or decides wat u r capable of doing.....

try ur best vidhya and once u have decided u have given it ur complete effort and still the boss is the same, then approach the higher management as a final try. even then if things dont change then quit. immediately. coz such an orgn which neglects its Human Capital is bound to be doomed sooner or later.

just remember this ..... never just lie low and accept watever crap treatment anyone gives u in the name of 'part n parcel of HR job'....coz its not. u dont have to be aggressive abt it but dont be a doormat either.....

all the best and keep us posted .....
another long long big thread with no output and result,,,, thread starter is already lost and the posts make her more lost,,, :(
Hi Ravi,
Posts here dont make anyone feel lost. Its left to the starter to decide what plan she must adopt. May be the views here would help her decide what she is supposed to do the next, or atleast this may/might help her in her own thinking process.
Its easier to critisize :-), difficult to contribute.:)
PS: The problem quoted here has no standard output/result. It is defined by the time she would take to stop worrying and start acting. No one may have the ANSWER directly here or just a one way solution, its all in what Vidya choses to do....
Hi Vidya,
I can understand your situation. Take this as an opportunity to understand people
and why they behave like that. After all HR is not "Human Resource" its more of
"Human Relations".
People will be the same everywhere. What's the guarantee that the next boss will
have immense respect for HR ? Not all people are same and neither the way we treat
all of them are same.
Have patience and do your best. Am sure things will work out if YOU want to.
Keep the faith.
Good Luck ! :icon1:
Dear Ash,
you are so true.............................
Unfortunately i did try all this & failed, that is the reason i came to you guys for help.
He is on higher position Managing Director from India, above him are people who sit in Germany. Recently one of our Management person infomed our parent company about the issues taking place here & he was thrown out very badly the same day he came back from his vacation & his wife is pregnant. He was taken to security gate & made to wait for two to three hours for FULL & FINAL SETTLEMENT, can you imagine what can i do ????????
Regards
Vidya
Hi Vidya,
Do not be de-motivated by this. Actually even I had went through the same situation so I can understand what you are going through. Remember one thing, some bosses have the mentality that they do not wish to give authority to their employees. They want to be the one and only showman in the whole company. They do not accept others' ideas. It an employer's mentality. However, I would suggest you to keep cool and prove him the importance of HR Department.
Last but not the least : " Never lose your self-respect. No position in this world is important at the cost of your self-respect."
Thats pathetic & very painful. I understand that you must have been the person most hurt as - you are the HR but still could not do anything. Looks like a very autocratic leadership control from this German (Hitler was from German rite??:!:)
What this would lead to is - people trying to move out and looking for immediate outside openings.
I am just thinking of what you can do.
Can you pass him a book on Corporate culture and ethics and ask him what modifications is he looking at? Let him know that this opinion is highly valued by everyone.
Share the recruitment practises manual with him and ask him what are the changes to be incorporated.
He would not take time to do all the above. So let him do what ever he wants - (I am sure he would not read any much though).
Finally get his signature as APPROVED AND EFFECTIVE AS ON DD/MM/YY
After this - just tell him that you will take the responsibility of making sure that nothing is done outside the prescribed laws in the manual...
Hi Vidya,
Please discuss the situations happenings in your organisations with your ex-boss in this case he may guide you. Because he knows the mentality of Management.
Have patience and do your best. Am sure things will work out if you want to.
Keep the faith.
Good Luck !
Do not get disheartned, Look into the strenght and weaknesses of your new boss and be emphatic to him. Try to gain confidence which will be built only if he sees you as an approachable person. Help him & guide him where ever he is short of thoughts. Engage with him continously and prove him that your approach is highly practicable. Believe me HR Managers are the change agents and if you cannot demonstrate this skill, believe me you will never be satisfied.
Regards
Suresh

Hi Vidhya,
You're not alone; there are so many out here who are in this situation as yours. Why most management have similar opinion about HR is, they consider HR as a cost centre and think they can do away with it. That's exactly why they should be made aware of the HR's role in an organization. By now you would have got many suggestions and advices from Citehr members on how to cope with the situation; I am attaching a file, by Leo Lingham, which might be of some use to you. At any point during your efforts to straighten up the affairs, if you get a chance to explain the importance of HR to your boss, this should come in handy. And probably it could also help pep up your motivation levels. To be an HR is not easy; so you’ve got an opportunity to stand tall. All the best!


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Dear Vidya,

I think, specifically in small companies most of HR executives doing the same what you are doing.You speak to your present boss and make him understand slowly and genuinely. Off course, it will take some time. In the mean time, why don’t you speak to your Ex-Boss and explain him about present situation of your department & its role. Also ask him about your new boss, he may know about him. Take suggestion from your old boss. It may help you.

Regards
Hi Vidya,
Don't worry, one day would come then he will realize soon and also he realized that without HR he can't manage the employees, we are the inter mediator for employees as well as employers .
but one thing, you should be best in your work, put 100 % effort in your work, make him realize she is the perfect HR for his concern.
Keep smiling, that is the good medicine.
Thanks
Riya
Dear Seekhr, I understand that u work as an HR in australia. One of my closed pal is migrating to australia soon. Would u be able to help me with good sources out there to find an HR job. Thanks,
Dear hrseek,
I understand that u r an HR working in australia. One of my close pal is migrating to australia soon. Hence can u plz help me with some good sources out there through which we can find an HR job.
Thanks
Dear,
As your old boss changed he will be also changed, have patience. Whenever a new person join he try to implement his own ideas and try to adjust in new environment. Just wait, after 2- 3 months he will automatically come on track and understand the importance of HR. If he do not understand he will suffer. You must try to be safe at your place, do not take any wrong decision, and go as par the policy. Its a time to observe and enjoy that how he is trying to adjust with new environment.
Ashwini kumar
Hi,
I read your mail.It was very painful to know this. This is very demotivating for HR aspirants. But along with that we are learning new HR sensitive dimentions .We are sensitive when people join us but we need to be more careful when people leave us. Bcoz it affects negatively company brand... As we know “People leave managers and not companies..." but still it is directly affecting company brand..

Aparna Sethi


Hi vidya
I know how hard to work under a only technical Head. Keep yours self quite and watch. They dont have any clue for the first 6 months. They will be fully autocrate and all the tech people consider HRD as an NON billing resource and they wont listen to our words. You keep a track on wat is going on and have some good relation with other department managers. Catch hold of other dep managers than your head.... in 3 months he will defnitly begin to be on our track. Just say ok ok to your boss. dont fel Insulted or left alone. If you tackled him then you are the strongest one in the company and no one can match you where ever you go.
Senthil
:)
Hey, relax ! Not having a boss who is not appreciative of the HR function is not something unusual, although in the past few years, the top management has realised the potential of what a sound HR can deliver to boost the top and bottom lines.

I too have worked in a German multi national and have experienced something like what you are going thru'. I have worked closely with Germans and culturally they are not to HR or OD initiatives. They respect rules and regulations and expect strict compliance and execution. If you are to look at typical HR departments/functions in Germany, they are more 'administrative' and hence, Germans find it difficult to accept that HR has something beyond this to deliver.

If your current boss is still of the old guard, you are a bit unlucky. In all probability, it is his first assignment in India or even Asia. I can say with some amount of certainty that he will soon begin to realise the importance of including HR in decision-making and according them their due credit. Most likely, he will need their assistance in adminstrative matters like statutory compliance adherence in matters pertaining to expatriates (e.g. registration of foreigners etc). He will also require HR help in retaining talent as well hiring top professionals. Unfortunately, this realisation will dawn only after some mistakes are made which adversely affect the results !

Hence, you will have to be patient and continue to build relationships within the organisation. Your boss is likely to be on an assignment for a year or two and is probably upset as many percieve India as a hardship posting ! You could try and get him to meet some senior German managers from other organisations who have been in India for a longer time and they could guide him. It is possible that he has been briefed about working in India and everything told to him may not be complimentary ! Hence, I know that quite a few of them are somewhat 'suspicious' in the beginning but later realise that we (HR) are not as bad as made out to be. You need to understand Germans a bit - for example, NEVER be late for a meeting, stick to the deadline / commitment given by you. If you follow these two golden principles, you should win over your boss !! Look at it as a challenge..... anyone can quit a job and take on another one. What guarantee the next boss (even if Indian) will appreciate HR !!!

Take care and all the best.
You know vidya main thingh is the mind set up we are. If u think little beat hatke we are means the Human Resourse is the back bone of any organization. It is good that u's previous boss understand the HR Department understand the HR or interested in personal development of each every employee, so he might had give u free hand to develop the organization. In that way some power & authority come to u. In the world every one wants that & looks for that, he/she eligible for it or not. The person is good he/she take his/her effort he/she evaluated one day, it might take some day.

as we are HR fist up all we have to understand the thinghs in and around us. because there are different people you will meet always and you have to takle them.

Don't blame any body for it, as many of our seniors and friends said earlier it might be a great learnig time for u, for the future.

listen Divya for while you have to leave u'r ego, just beave like a mature HR.
I am not agree that you should tell or mail to your tom most management person. Because some day might be this boss will give a certificate.

In my opinion first understand to u'r boss or senior person, and try to know what exactly he/she wants, plz ignore for some time what is going on in your organization, but analyse the thingh your own, take the record with u.

Support all the department or seniors as they are recruit people for them. and make letters for them and in the time of giving appointment letter to the new employees, (plz try to understood every point see their mood). donot deny to make letters. If u realy love u'r prfeesion, be patient & cool and understand the situation & understand the situation.

Ultimately if u see all the decission are come through the HR Department from the Top mangement to other. make feel u'r boss that he is right and support him/her. Do what he/she ask u. Some time u keep quite & open u'r mouth very less and where u think he/she little beat agree with u'r point try to tell him/her it is the best.

you will see , you will get his/her confident and you can use all your skills, might be it is slow process. if we could not understand or motivate our boss we could not do any thingh. Do not be very emotional, behave like a professional, plz see the movie corporate as many time you can.

and you will be the winer

regards
hi,
it is quite common feeling when we get little difference in importance given by old and new once. be cool, waite for the opportunity to show the importance of You & HR department, ready to face more challenges wer u rock for sure.
all the very best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This post is one year old and I do not know whether the same situation continues.

We will be too glad to get a feedback from the author of this post a year back.

I have just one observation to make>

The post started by Vidya addresses the Importance of HR Department and not about HR Preocess. I liked Ashs contribution wherin he has specified abt approaching the boss and find out what Changes he wants in the processes.

HR people should appreciate one aspect... they dont decide they facilitate. If you are in a deciding mode about people in deifferent departments, then you will face the problem as faced by Vidys If you are in a facilitating mode, people will come to you Please understand the difference. Would you like some one else taking a decion on a person reporting to you? we dont . Similarly others like to take decisions on their people HR's sucess depends on how effective we frame and design processes to bring in unifomity across the organisation in handling and managing people rather than managing people itself

Thanks

Sivasankaran
Hi To All,
I read all the comments and situation on Vidhya's problem, however if Sr Management do the same then were should we go, with me situation is like that, our Dept does not havE HR manager, Dept is getting handled by Admin Head, HR team had been distributed in different projects (Working in IT company), My IT managers says i am not an HR i am a recruiter, Can any one tell them that person who has done fulltime MBA in HR doing Greviance, Helping employees in Finance but Core part is IT Recruiter, it all come in HR .... :(
My question is how HR can come out of IT Manager hands, i gave up as due to this situation that HR has been handled by other Dept Heads our 2 managers resign.Now what about HR Team.
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