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Dear All,
My MD quite recently verified the appointment lr prepared by me. He further told me that the term mentioned "probation for six months" (as probationary period) is not applicable and further he added that probation will only be for 1 month.....Is that so?.....I'm totally confused..........
He told me to verify the same.......plz help me in this regard.....
31st August 2008 From India, Tiruppur
Dear June V.
Firstly, in your post you have not mentioned the position for which you have prepared an Appointment Letter. If it is a senior post like president to DGM, then check your company policy, because in most of the companies, there is no probation period for senior positions.
There is very less chance for any position to have only one month Probation period. Please check policies for that also.
31st August 2008 From India, Mumbai
I have faced same problem with my organisation.
It's pvt ltd. firm, with ISO 9000 , our company policy is we keep employees on wage receipt for 3 months, then after completion we upgrade them to on muster roll. it is considered as date of joining, from the date of joining it takes 1 year for probation. after completing that one year he will be permanant employee and eligible for Leave and bonus, Lta facility.
Is it fare ?
As we are now revising our policies can we amend this policies with help of current act.
Plz help.
31st August 2008 From India, Mumbai
Dear Friends,"PROBATION" generally for the senior management level it is 6 months, Middle Management to below is 1 year. But it is purely on Management policy. Before completion of probation period we have to review the performance of the candidate. Here I attached one format may be useful, also attached a detailed notes on 'PROBATIONER'. Regards,PBS KUMAR
1st September 2008 From India, Kakinada

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I agree with PBS Kumar. Normally the probation period will be for 6 months. Why we keep the probation period the reason is that,
1) We can measure the performance of the new joined employee.
2) There is lot many things we can know during this period such as Attitude, Loyalty, which are behavioral aspect of the person.
But again its totally depends on the management policy.
1st September 2008 From India, Mumbai
I really thank u all for your valuable comments....As u all say, I shou;ld havent mentioned the word probation as the designation is for a senior person (Accounts Manager).......I also take this opportunity to thank MR.PBS Kumar to update me with the detailed note on PROBATIONER...
1st September 2008 From India, Tiruppur
It purely depends upon company to company and 1 month probation period is very less. Atleast the company should have minimum 3 months probation period. Even the HR policy changes once you complete the probation. The employee will get more benefits after completing the probation period. So 3 months is the minimum period and max is 6 months and this can be extended if the employees performance is not as per the expectations of the company.
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2nd September 2008 From India, Delhi
Dear Everybody,
well Probation purely depends on Company Policy.(3 months to 6months is general practice) In Government departments it is generally for 2 years.And then they (Authority) check your ACR (Annual Confidential Report) of first 2 yers anf if everything is okay ,the temporary employee become becomes a permannet one.
I will say the reasons mentioned in the last posts for Probation are more or less same but would like to add one point here that In Manufacturing Plants specially (Where ever labour Laws applicable) , probation period is more than in comparison Service sector employees or Higher management. And here the benifits and separation is also entirely different for temporary and permanenet employee.
In service sector I feel everybody remains in probation untill the employement.
2nd September 2008 From India, Pune
The Probation Period Clause for 6 months is approriate. The logic behind the probation period is to understand the knowledge, working and other traits of an employee. One month is too short period to assess anybody. Minimum probation period can be 3 months and not less than that.
2nd September 2008 From India, Delhi
Hi June V,

Contrary to the popular belief that the higher the designation, the longer the probation period, its actually the other way round.

The reason being, probation period is used to assess a new joinee's skills and capabilities and to help him/her to adapt to the office culture. Now, when we take senior/middle-level professionals onboard with considerable experience, they already come with a certain proven track record of skills & capabilities. Hence, it is taken for granted that they hit the ground running.

Having a lengthy probation period for senior/middle-level managers whose skills have already been measured and accepted, is just a waste of time.

Therefore, the probation period for senior/middle-level profesionals is usually only 1-2months. However, their notice period is longer (6-8months) as they will have a lot of jobs to be completed or handed-over to, finding a replacement at that level would be difficult and the effect of seniors leaving the organzation is more as compared to lower level employees.

Also, 1 year of probation is mainly applicable to Trainees where on-the-job training is neccessary for them to be useful to the company. These trainees are made to work on different areas in their field in that one year. If OJT is not required then the normal probation period is just 3months.

A recent survey shows that the learning curve from generation to generation is different and that Gen X & Y learn things faster. So having a long probation doesnt seem neccessary if they can grasp things faster.
2nd September 2008 From India, Hyderabad
Hai Everyone
I am Sudhakar Executive-HR
I am requesting you all a small clarification.
Should we calculate Bonus on Basic+DA (i.e Rs.10,000/-) or Gross Salary of the Employee for the year 2008?
Please give me clarification which will be very useful to me for Bonus calculation.
Thanking you all.
Executive - HR
2nd September 2008 From India, Hyderabad
Hi June V, Almost companies are giving probation period for 6 months for all designation. Regards,
2nd September 2008 From India, Delhi
The Probation period depends on company policy in our company we are hiring employees on three month probation period. He is our employee from the very first day of joining only a clause is mentioned in appointement letter that You are (employee) on probation period for first three month.
in that case company can terminate his services without any notice in probation period.
3rd September 2008 From India, Lucknow
If the company has got a certified standing order, probation period will be as per that certified standing order.
In the absence of a certified standing order, the Model Standing Orders as per the Industrial Employment Standing Orders Act will be applicable to any industrial establishment. As per the model standing orders provided, probation will be for a period of 3 months from the date of appointment.
Even if the appointment letter states probation period to be 1 month, 6 months or one year or even more, in the absence of a certified standing order, probation period will be 3 months, since law stands above all contracts..
3rd September 2008 From India, Kochi
If more than 50 employees are employed in an Industry in Maharashtra, then in case of workers the period of probation has to be 3 months. It can not be less/more than 3 months. (model standing orders 2(b) and 4-A, IESO Act,1946)

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3rd September 2008 From India, Pune
hi june V.,
first i have to clarify what is probation, - probation means testing the capacity of new employee and giving them some time to understand the culture atmosphere of current organization, to know his boss and colleagues. Probation period is totally dependent on company polices. Even you kept a person for six month on probation period and if you think he is performing well his probation period can be reduced , even i have seen that retention of employees probation periods are reduced,
4th September 2008 From India, Mumbai
In normal circomstances, the probationery period will be for six months. It will be decided on the basis of Company Policy, which will vary from Organiation to Organisation.
I have observed in few Organisation that when an employee is promoted to next level, he has been put on probation for the period of 3 months to observe his suitability for the elevated post.
The definition of the Probation can be taken from Standing Orders / Employment Rules as applicable.
Divaspati Bhat
4th September 2008 From India
Kumar, Does this apply to every country? In Kenya, probation period is normally three months irrespective of position held and if extended maybe to six months. Regards. Cathy
4th September 2008 From Kenya
Dear All,
The clause of Probation is a standard one in any appointment letter which generally will be for a period of 6 months. This again varies from position to position.
Generally,probation clause not applicable to Senior cadres like GMs etc. Otherwise, it is a standard clause need to added with specified period which varies for freshers and others. For freshers it will be for a period of one year and for experienced personnel it will be of 6 months.
Few organisations uses this clause contextually with specific purpose for their employees.
With best wishes
Sagala Amarnath

5th September 2008 From India, Bangalore
Hi Everyone I am a Student doing MBA can anyone tell me the list of the companies which go for campus recruitment and also the contact person it would be very great if anyone can help me out.
5th September 2008 From India, Bangalore
In reply to Probation topic one member Namely Vishari said that in her iso company they keep employee on wage for three months and then take on muster roll and that will be a date of Joining for the employee.
I just like to draw her attention in case she is responsible for compliance under the PF/ESI/ and other related laws. Check whether the said statutory deductions are made from the day they enter into organistaion of from the day they are taken on muster roll. This is very crucial and if by ignorance there is any flaw in compliance the employer may invite a trouble
5th September 2008 From India, Mumbai
its depend upon cadre to cadre, the probation may be for 1 yr to 6 month and no probation for higher level.
6th September 2008 From India, Hyderabad
dear H.R. Officer,
You have not mentioned the post of appointee.If the catagory is of manager,the
period of probation would be matter of company"s policy.In case of workman under
I.D.Act1947,and Industrial Employment(standing order)Act 1946 being applicable
probation period should not exceed six months.
6th September 2008 From India, Pune
There is typing error in my reply.The probation period for those governed by Industrial Employment (Standing Orders) Act 1946 should not exceed three months(In maharashtra).For others ,it is amatter of policy of establishment.
6th September 2008 From India, Pune
June, The Probation period for all Posts / Designations is as per your compnay policy, advice you to first understand the Company Policy so henceforth all documents prepared by you would be correct.
6th September 2008 From India, Pune
In general Probationary period may vary n depend on post to post. Every employer has own approved standing order( As Model standing Order) , where category allready been define n probationary period n leave, bonus n all rules n regulation have been mentioned . So that Ist b read our standing orders n decide accordingly. Purpose of probation is to look after the employee's performance n confirm on the post as appointed.
6th September 2008
my friend!
Understanding u the matter has been assessed. First it depends upon the company. About your resume it depends but as of now u can explain the proper role according to the resume u have done. first know the cause why he has reviewed your resume again. think logically. try to explain him openly. In order to secure the job or if u are confident of getting another job jus leave it and dont pressure ur self. if u are pressurising urself then u can not fight him out. this is my sincere advise.
7th September 2008 From India, Hyderabad
Actually i had query regarding that only. they assume date of joing when they confirmed them after 3 months. after 3 months pf/esic compliance are leviable to them till they are considered as temporary employee on wage receipt which are not visible in wage or salary register this rule is fallowed to all the employers like for workder and staff also.
Plz give me advice how HR department should avoid arising future problems in my company/firm.
8th September 2008 From India, Mumbai
Dear Mr. Cathym’NO' This is only for the citizen employees of Indian Industries only.Regards,PBS KUMAR
8th September 2008 From India, Kakinada
Its purely depend upon the company policy. normaly this is for 6 month for justify the candidate . Probation period dosen’t matter for most senior position in good organisation. Regards, Arun
30th September 2008 From India, Delhi
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