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One of a senior sales employee in our organisation was found cheating by forging his expenses statement, when confronted he refused bluntly even after producing evidence to that effect, subsequently when we told him that it will not be possible for us to allow him to continue to work, he threatened that he will suicide. We allowed him to calm down and spoke to him after 3-4 days, but he continuted his stance saying that if we dismiss him, his life will be ruined and he will be left with no other option but to suicide. We have written a letter to the Local Police Station as well as at the Police Station where he resides. For the time being we have suspended him which he has accepted as well. He is a probationary employee and has joined has hardly 2 months ago and the misconduct (forgery) was found in the expense statement of the first month. We want to terminate him as per the appointment letter which says any employee who is under probation can be terminated without assigning any reason. we are worried for - his precious life leaving behind his family, he leaves a suicide note stating that he has been forced to suicide by us, putting us in legal trouble. We also do not want to keep him suspended for long so as to allow him to find an another job as this is a costly preposition. Hi everybody, I am a new joinee in this family, I know this is a difficult situation, but I think some of you might have faced a similar one in your life. If yes, please guide me. If no, please suggest the best thing that comes to your mind. Any ways, thanks for reading this discussion thread and I hope it will be a learning opportunity for all of us. Best regards..Roopesh
From India, Delhi
problem to such mein serious hai , better consult and take decision from ur office management ppl ,
From India, Pune
He is trying emotional blackmail. Sack him and let him get on with it! - He won’t BTW
From United Kingdom, Glasgow
Dear Roopesh, This is infact a very difficult situation. Such kind of emotional black mailing is to be handled without any negligence. You have done a good thing by informing the police of his attitude. You can call him for a counseling also and suggest an alternative to termination by accepting his resignation. However, do not reinstate him since he is a fraud. Regards, Madhu.T.K
From India, Kannur
Hello, The problem is NOT difficult. It is simply tricky! Having formally informed the concerned Police Stations, you have covered yourself well. Now what you need to do is: 1. With the assistance (involvement, actually if possible) of Police and/or his family-particularly the wife, also some close friends/relative, conduct a formal meeting explaining why he can no longer continue to be employed by the company (with document like his Appriasal Reports, document/facts showing his continued poor performance and the opportunities already given to him to improve. 2. During the meeting encourage discussion on ways to part ways. I am not saying that you should give him a golden handshake or something. 3. Give him time to relocate, say six months after which his employment with this company will stand automatically terminated. During this period he may be exempted from work and attendance but he should be paid his normal salary and benefits. 4. Engage his services contractually where he will be paid on the basis of concrete, measurable performance only. The initial contract will be renewable by mutual concent. 5. Create Minutes of the Meeting and ensure that all participating parties sign this document. Give him a copy of this document also and get the receipt acknowledged. You cannot be more fair than this. If all this does not work out, record the efforts undertaken to rehabilitate him and TERMINATE his employment forthwith. If for the fear of possible legalities you avoid doing this you will have learn painfully the hazards of occupation. If I sound harsh, kindly note that I am first attempting to rehabilitate him and only thereafter I am responding to adamance in equal measure. Need more inputs, post them. Let all benefit! Regards samvedan June 30, 2008 ------------------------------------
From India, Pune
Hi Roopesh, like Samvedan said the situation is tricky. But the question here is do you let someone like him continue with the organisation. sam, correct me if I'm worng... does the organisation hold the responsibility to rehabilitate the person... in this situation he is purely trying to take advantage of the situation & people around. If he is up to these kinds of tricks (Forgery) in the very first month of his employment that means things like this is not new to him. Best thing is try to check with his previous employer if there were any such cases reported about him during his tenure with them & also ingeneral about his charecter, conduct, etc..... Also try to find out from his family if the financial situation is so bad that he is trying petty things to get additional money. this should give you insight about the kind of person he is & wether you should give any weightage to his threats at all. I do not think a person who is not hesitant to carry out illegal things would end his life just for being terminated. Like the saying goes.... barking dogs seldom bite........ I see this to be a similar case. Rgds Roopa
From India, Bangalore
Hi Ravi, I have always seen ur answers, most of them are ofcourse correct i mean they give HR to think in other dimensions, at times i feel that u are not a HR person, u are working on someother thing but interested to know what the activities of HR are. hmmmmmm i dont' know whether i am right or wrong, but its my analysis about u after reading ur very few answers in very few posts. hope u clear my doubt. regards sadhana
From India, Delhi
Call Him along with some senior person and legal advisor. Talk to him about the inability to continue his employment. ask him to give the resignation letter, if not sack him. Video shoot the entire episode and have it with you. Be stern in your action. Also have some of the items which will help to commit sucide like poson, rope or anything related to that. if he still continues to do that on his words, ask him whichever way he wants to sucide, you may go ahead and we are not reponsible. Sure he will not do that, because he only an Emotional Blackmailer. You have all documents legally. So dont worry go ahead.
You have remove a thorn using a Thorn only.

From India, Coimbatore
Hi peer mohammed, i agree with u, well we have to be firm, if we start giving into emotional blackmailing then no organisation can survive. well that person is not associated with the company for longer time, hence for him searching another job is not difficult, don't believe on him and tell him that for the fault of his u are not responsible, he himself has invited the trouble. and ask him to write a letter that u have removed him from services because he has done forgery. what he does later is not ur headache. No one dies for such small things, u are also emotional dear thats why he is blackmailing u, else if i would have been in ur position he would have left the job and never returned back, so don't go emotional. do things with head in HR never with heart. regards. sadhana
From India, Delhi
Dear Roopesh, This is an act of blackmailing. There is no better solution than sacking him as such people will never benefit the organisation, the moment you panic its an advantage for him. My suggestion is inform the police in a written format and sack him. Usually such cowards dont commit suscide. regards, Jesu
From India, Bangalore
Hi Roopesh, Do not even listen to this person. Being a senior person in the sales team he should know his responsibilities. Even if you take him on contract, what is the guarantee that he will not do the same again? Allowing him to continue will also set a bad example for others and you will finally end up in running a rehabilitation centre. So, just sack him with intimation to police, family clearly stating the reason for your action. If required give a legal announcement stating “ his employment stands cancelled due the act of ……..”. regards,
From India, Madras
I agree with Sree. Best way is to do the same otherwise you really will end up in running a rehabilitation centre. rgds, J

Hey Dear Though I am working with a recruitment company only but i have a solution in mind hope it works and even if you dont like it do give a feedback of it.... Just tell that person that you have to find a job within 15 days and sign your resignation letter and in the meantime you can find a job somewhere else too... but after that the company will be forced to issue a termination letter which will leave you standing nowhere..... You have to be stern and diplomat as wid dis ans the ball will be in his court leaving him no option but to resign..... Regards Shilpi jain ps: dear other member do give me a feedback on it as u ppl are more experienced and might find it ametur....
From India, Delhi
Hi Roopesh, As said by Sree and Jiya, please dont be emotional and take a decision which is in the interest of the company. And as far as the suicide threat is concerned, it seems that the perosn must have used this trick somewhere else also. You dont worry as you have done your job by informing the police about it. Would just like to add that keep his family informed about all this. Swati
From India, Bangalore
cool yaar ..i appreciate ur decision of filing FIR in police station..best procedure, now you give him some chances if he repeat it again than sack him out immedtly...
From India, Madras
hi What a difficult situation!! I think you are going in the right direction by complaining to nearest police station. Inform his family members about the plight you are into and what made you take this decision of terminating him. I dont think he shoulkd continue work with your company... I havent come accross a situation like thais and it was a great learning opportunity... thankyou for your post.. Do let us know the later developments on this issue Asha
From India, Madras
Hi, I suggest you to terminate his services immediately and send a copy to his home because he is now under suspension. you had informed his blackmiling in the police station limits, so there is no need to scare about him. But we should not allow such people to work in a company even knowing about him. Face boldly whatever will be the consequences. Regards Kirubakaran.
From India, Madras
I think you should consult a lawyer and then decide what needs to be done. If you let this thing happen once even others would do the same and would use the same weapon to balckmail the Employer. It is good that you have already informed the police about this thing. But it might be his family pressure which he wants to shift the blame to you poeple(company), you never know the actual reason for his this kind of statement.
From India, Delhi
I think , leting his family members(parents,wife)know about the situation is very important. Professionally you are doing your part , on personal front they will hadle it
From India, Hyderabad
Hi, Don't mix the emotions in your professional life. Let him make aware the reality and u can go to higher ups in your org. With every consultation's you make take a legal action and even can go to police.
From India, Nagpur
Hi Sam, Im a new member to the HR family. After completing Masters i have joined in this company as HR a few months i happen to read all the posts in this cite especially yours i found all ur answers for the queriers are very much appreciatable and the suggestions are mature. Kudos for all your precious replies and pls do contribute for the new joinees like us. Hope will get to listen more from you. Wishes Suhashini
From India, Tiruppur
Hi Sam, Im a new member to the HR family. After completing Masters i have joined in this company as HR a few months back i happen to read all the posts in this cite especially yours i found all ur answers for the queriers are very much appreciatable and the suggestions are mature. Kudos for all your precious replies and pls do contribute for the new joinees like us. Hope will get to listen more from you. Wishes Suhashini
From India, Tiruppur
Hey Buddy, Don't worry just dismiss him immediately or within a period of 15 days as your company policy. Did u check his perious history? pls try to check that also as well. 1) Have enough evident to show, 2) Police complain records thats all, its just rarest case as well. Thanks bye Dilip BK

dear, he is blackmailing u nothing else u have done ur job no need to warrying abt that employee.
From India, Bangalore
Dear Roopesh, If the person was seriously thinking about suicide he would not be talking about it. However, one can probe into the reason for his action and he can be given a written warning for the same. Regards Anika Agarwal
From India, Dehra Dun
Hi It is a misconduct and you can not sack him without conducting an enquiry eventhough he is under probation, Now that you have intimated to police, it has on record that if at all you terminate him it is for misconduct and not for performance.You can not use the normal probationary clause here. You said you have already suspended him. Appoint an external enquiry officer. Conduct an enquiry. Get the findings. If forgery is proved you can sack him I will not advise counselling in this case. From whatever you have described, he seems to be a tough nut to crack I may be wrong. Suicide threat is common and I have faced this several times when we handle forgery theft Misapporopriation cases. You have informed police and that is sufficient Conduct an enquiry If proved guilty sack him Siva
From India, Chennai
Dear Roopesh, People who want to commit suicide, do it. People who threaten to do so, are indulging in emotional blackmail. In your case, I feel he was just buying time... He has threatened to commit an illegal act (committing suicide is by the way against the law), that should be grounds enough to terminate his employemnt. Hope this helps, Regards, Tresa
From India, Madras
Dear roopesh you have taken a sufficiant desission to protect yourside but i suggest you that as a human being you should visit his family and investigate the case and after that you should provide the councelling for his rehebilitation. Thanks Rajbir Yadav
From India, Panipat
Hi Roopesh, we have had a similar situation in our organization. the employee was stealing and when we found and asked him to leave, he started threatening that he would commit suicide. The management was not scared as we were very clear on such issues. The termination took place with all the legal support and one of his close relative was called to our office and was told about his threat. we kept the whole issue very confidential, as we felt that the other employees should not get influenced with this behaviour and take advantage. The family member was also informed to keep the issue as a secret as dint wanted his family to be affected. Terminating the employee is the right decision , you have taken the right steps already by informing police and his family. handle the situation confidentially but at the same time consider this employee as a human being who deserves medical help. regards Lakshmi
From Korea
First you should cousel him along with his family, and at the same time take resignation from him, dont complicate simple thing as its not acceptable, its going to be a massege for all.
From India, Gurgaon
Nice that u have informed to ploice and such kind of employees need to be handled carefully. U can call family members of the employee and explain the situation, then he may listen to u and abort his decision Regards Bharath
From India, Madras
Dear Roopesh, When a person commits suicide, and he writes somebody's name holding the person responsible, the person so named comes under abettment to commit suicide, but that only becomes an allegation. It needs to be proved in a court of law. With so many Farmers committing suicide have you ever seen any money lender,official or minister getting arrested?? So, a person just cannot put anybody's name, there must be a relation in which the accused had created wrongful threat perception, coercion or intimidation that the person had to end his life. The term wrongful should be there. So, it is always advisable to go in for full disciplinary proceedings (Domestic Enquiry) before terminatinmg an employee. Once that is done then you are absolutely safe from law. Informing Police station will not protect you, because if the Company's name is there it will have to appear in court, and in court if it is proved that the Company had terminated without proper domestic enquiry or had made the person forced to resign, then it will be real trouble. Regards, Swastik
From India, Thane
dear friend, He is a professional fraud. As you have informed police, you should inform his family in writing about the whole incidents. As you have suspended him, not terminated, you are bound to conduct enquiry before terminating his service. The day you came to know the fraud, you should be terminated his service. Don't keep any further delay. But it is clear, he is just emotionaly black mailing and you don't consider all these nonsense. Good Luck, shiv Kumar
From India, Delhi
Hi Roopesh Read U R Case it is really amazing. You can call him for Counselling & say that we will not take this matter to Police, It is better you ask him to search the New Job. As there might be One Month Notice period. Tell Him, we are taking soft corner for U R Family. Only
From India, Nagpur
Hi, See first of all, this type of person cant do any thing good for the organisation in future also. But to get rid of him, i appreciate the measures suggested by both Sam and Roopa. Lets start with this measures. Out come will come automatically and may be we get some new avenues to overcome the situation. Informing local police, involving family members & close friends, taking legal suggestions etc. are good steps to deal with this type of situation. Every measure from company side should be documented. After all, life is precious and the more, life(s) related with that person. rksarkar
From India, Hyderabad
Hi, In this instance one probobale acation is that you could ask him to resign and hence not terminate him. Termination is a life long impacting action which will be visible in all records exxpecially when background screening is done. Tell him that we are not terminating you, tell him to make a graceful exit sans the notice period. If this love approach doesnt work then its time to act tough! You could report this to the Indian Labour commission first and get thier notice. Then with the help of lawyers and the judiciary expedite his termination Regards, Kenneth
From India, Mumbai
Hi I Agree with Rupa, you may make evidence ready inform police, others in the office, mgmt , union reps if any... and his family members too.also involve some media people, those ppl need not live on this earth like this, there are no legal complications involved for you once u secure evidence.. and dont allow people like these to balck mail you. Do remember always , those who do emotional balckmailing, one you give them elbow room , they will stab you in the future for sure, at the most if u think he is valuable as a human being at the least , hand him over to a pshyciatrist, never get involved in his treatment once his family members are informed! all the best!
From India, Pune
Dear Roopesh, All the ideas given by our members are exellent As per my suggestion, 1. formal information to local police station 2. information to their family member - if married to his wife, if not to their parents by arranging a formal meeting at your office 3. in this case, consider you organisation size also, because if it is smaller one you can retain him, because as a humanitarian approach, person who makes mistake and identified, will not repeat it again and also will try to work trustfully to his boss and in the other case, if the organisation is larger size, as Mr. samvedan told, you have to deal in tricky way, like, you need to make him shy everyday whenever he comes to office by highlighting the matter to his other collegues informally and this will make him to quit the job automatically even less than a month... Regards, Kumar
From India, Tiruppur
hi members Like this situation handling, why can't us post some incidents like this, i think, this will give some good ideas and exposures to the readers and new joinees to understand and act during such cases Regards, Kumar
From India, Tiruppur
I just went through all your suggestions . Pardon me saying i felt as if some brainstroming session is going on for CAT aspirants(yet to do MBA). The only HR answer comes from SWASTIK. Keep it up buddy. Dr.Pradeep Mohapatra
From India, New Delhi
Hi Roopesh First speak with him and telling that this is a sitaution and we cannot go ahead for further befor you do all this speak with there family members that he has done all fraud in our company that is the reason we are removing him.Do mae involvement with your higher authority people so that agian you will not be in the loop. Another alternative you can do is that when you are speaking connect the call to the police department with parel to your manager so that they can lesson to his voice with this i think your problem can be sloved. One most thing which you need to learn in your life is that donot take the things very very serious first thing understand what is the problem and what are the solutions for that so that best results can be out. Wishing you all the best
From India, Hyderabad
Dear Roopesh, You r facing such a situation which any HR deptt. could face in future. But don't be so sad or tensionised bcz this department mostly use to face the legal situations. Ya...as per my opinion this department has made also for face such situation where company use to face legal trials and hr people use to face such situations tactfully. The person who has done fraud and in the first month of his joining, he could not be a proper employee of any organisation. Now, the solution is :-- (1) Immediately complain in written to your nearest police station and mention that he is threatening for sucide when we should terminate him. In your complain mention that police action is required. It is duty of police to enquire the case of fraud and they will take the proper action. As per the norms any person who use to be under custody of police and use to be challaned. the hr deptt. could suspend him and when he should be proofed accused then termination could be done. In the above situation either that fraud person use to sucide then your company should not be responsible. (2) If you don't want to complain the case in police station then send him the registered legal notice that what fraud has found against him and enquire the case with him for 2-3 sittings but it is must that every enquiry detail (question and answer) must be signed by him also along with enquiry head, that in future if any mis-happening accurs who must have proof to show in court. After the enquiry, when u find him accused of fraud then send the termination letter with registered post but try to collect the acknowledgement immediately from the post office for future. I hope that such people doesn't do anything after the termination because they use to threaten only. I hope that the above suggetion will help u. But, consult to your management before adopting it. RAJ LUCKNOW
From India, Gurgaon
He is trying to emotionally blackmail the management as management is listening to him. When he is a newly joined only 2 months back and he is claiming the forged bill it is not acceptable. Do not show any mercy to him and immediately sack him and say go to hell.

Acc. to me, he is just threatening, he won’t commit suicide.We can sack him out from the company.Regards,Ramya Shankar
From India, Pune
Hi Roopesh, If your company has got solid evidence against the said employee then you don't have worry too much of his threat. In fact, any *threat* (whether suicide or harming any other employee in the company) by an employee itself can become the reason for disciplinary action against him/her. In my opinion, you/your company has shown enough compassion to this employee any more empathy could only harm you/ your company. Regards, Sudeep

any company should not be ruthless by sacking ppl.You have to give him a chance to prove his honesty and take under writing .I have seen such case earliar but we thought .Our employees are like childern we have to take corrective action not punitive . One way we call them our family other hand we don t forgive Think
From India, Mumbai
Dear Roopesh, This is really an intresting topic as you have mentioned and a learning one also. By the way the best you can do is to decide along with your management and counsel him after that make him to give his resignation which will be safer for your company. It is a difficult case but not an impossible one to be handled. Anyways all the best for you and your company and do share the outcome of this once it is solved for you, which will be certainly very useful for all our members in the forum. Regards Amith R.
From India, Bangalore
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