Hello,
It pains me to find most HR people using, sorry abusing English - apostrophe used to show plural, condensed, modern day abbreviated Hinglish (!?!?!), and the list is endless.
No wonder, after a hard day's work we do relax a bit and exchange notes here. But, there must be some sort of protocol to be followed that this is a global forum and people do observe and learn from us.
Let me present an appeal to all SENIOR members - seniority not in the forum, but in actual HR activities to play the role model for thousands of young managers.
Here is a small ready-reckoner for you all.
Happy reading, happy learning.
Best regards,
Padmanaban
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APOSTROPHE - '
The apostrophe has three uses:
Forming possessives of nouns
To see if you need to make a possessive, turn the phrase around and make it an "of the..." phrase. For example:
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From India, Madras
4It pains me to find most HR people using, sorry abusing English - apostrophe used to show plural, condensed, modern day abbreviated Hinglish (!?!?!), and the list is endless.
No wonder, after a hard day's work we do relax a bit and exchange notes here. But, there must be some sort of protocol to be followed that this is a global forum and people do observe and learn from us.
Let me present an appeal to all SENIOR members - seniority not in the forum, but in actual HR activities to play the role model for thousands of young managers.
Here is a small ready-reckoner for you all.
Happy reading, happy learning.
Best regards,
Padmanaban
98400 29805
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APOSTROPHE - '
The apostrophe has three uses:
1) to form possessives of nouns <link updated to site home>Apostrophes are NOT used for possessive pronouns or for noun plurals, including acronyms.
2) to show the omission of letters
3) to indicate certain plurals of lowercase letters. <link updated to site home> ( Search On Cite | Search On Google )
Forming possessives of nouns
To see if you need to make a possessive, turn the phrase around and make it an "of the..." phrase. For example:
the boy's hat = the hat of the boy three days' journey = journey of three daysIf the noun after "of" is a building, an object, or a piece of furniture, then no apostrophe is needed!
room of the hotel = hotel roomOnce you've determined whether you need to make a possessive, follow these rules to create one.
door of the car = car door
leg of the table = table leg
• add 's to the singular form of the word (even if it ends in -s):Thank you!the owner's car James's hat• add 's to the plural forms that do not end in -s:
the children's game the geese's honking• add ' to the end of plural nouns that end in -s:
houses' roofs three friends' letters• add 's to the end of compound words:
my brother-in-law's money• add 's to the last noun to show joint possession of an object:Todd and Anne's apartment
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From India, Madras
Seven views, and no reply. Strange, HR community seems to be averse to learning, and or using English in the proper way!
From India, Madras
From India, Madras
Hi Padmanaban,
I thoroughly agree with you & have often found it a little irritable to read or hear grammatically incorrect sentences from highly qualified professionals. As a trainer I've noticed that its the love for a language & genuine interest in self-development that will motivate a person to properly & effectively use a language.
Anyway, thank you for your appeal to all Senior members on the good usage of English.
Regards,
Jeanne.
From India, Madras
I thoroughly agree with you & have often found it a little irritable to read or hear grammatically incorrect sentences from highly qualified professionals. As a trainer I've noticed that its the love for a language & genuine interest in self-development that will motivate a person to properly & effectively use a language.
Anyway, thank you for your appeal to all Senior members on the good usage of English.
Regards,
Jeanne.
From India, Madras
Hello Jeanne,
You were so polite in your expression - "often found it a little irritable to read", I always find such things just unbearable.
I have been training people since early eighties and my observation is that in India most people think in their mother tongue, and speak in English!
One such example I quote in my sessions is - "I saw you with my wife yesterday in the shopping mall." Actually, I wanted to say, "While I was in the shopping mall with my wife, I saw you."
Wonder how and when these erring professionals are going to refine themselves.
Thanks a lot for sharing a common thought.
From India, Madras
You were so polite in your expression - "often found it a little irritable to read", I always find such things just unbearable.
I have been training people since early eighties and my observation is that in India most people think in their mother tongue, and speak in English!
One such example I quote in my sessions is - "I saw you with my wife yesterday in the shopping mall." Actually, I wanted to say, "While I was in the shopping mall with my wife, I saw you."
Wonder how and when these erring professionals are going to refine themselves.
Thanks a lot for sharing a common thought.
From India, Madras
I am also agreeing with both of you. Infact I am also one who has started brushing up my self to get upgrade & perfect.
Being an HR person we need to be strong enough with proper knowledge & to represent this knowledge our communication should be perfect.
So friends as my self being a learner, if you could have good material for upgrading English language & some material @ how to use freezes & some impressive sentences while talking to mob kindly provide it to me.
expecting your help.
Regards,
harshada
From India, Pune
Being an HR person we need to be strong enough with proper knowledge & to represent this knowledge our communication should be perfect.
So friends as my self being a learner, if you could have good material for upgrading English language & some material @ how to use freezes & some impressive sentences while talking to mob kindly provide it to me.
expecting your help.
Regards,
harshada
From India, Pune
Dear Padmanaban,
Thank you for the excellent posting. Your logic is right too. A number of us think in our mother tounge and translate that into English. Same applies when speaking too with the local language accent.
However, do not be disheartend if people did not post their views after only 7 people viewing your posting. I had posted messages on Research Methodology and Plagiarism, whivh has not seen one reply even after 23 views.
Here is an excellent website reference for those that are interested in improving.
Guide to Grammar and Writing
Narasimhan
PS: Hi all, please drop a note to air your views.
From United Kingdom
Thank you for the excellent posting. Your logic is right too. A number of us think in our mother tounge and translate that into English. Same applies when speaking too with the local language accent.
However, do not be disheartend if people did not post their views after only 7 people viewing your posting. I had posted messages on Research Methodology and Plagiarism, whivh has not seen one reply even after 23 views.
Here is an excellent website reference for those that are interested in improving.
Guide to Grammar and Writing
Narasimhan
PS: Hi all, please drop a note to air your views.
From United Kingdom
Hi
Sorry, I forgot to give some examples from the site.
INDEX to the Guide to Grammar and Writing This site has the index of key words. By clicking on "apostrophe" I got this site
The Apostrophe which has this paragraph
Narasimhan
From United Kingdom
Sorry, I forgot to give some examples from the site.
INDEX to the Guide to Grammar and Writing This site has the index of key words. By clicking on "apostrophe" I got this site
The Apostrophe which has this paragraph
This Guide has an entire section devoted to a description of possessives. You can click <A href="http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/possessives.htm">HERE to go to that section (and accompanying quizzes) or read this summary.And by clicking on HERE I found the following
Some writers will say that the -s after Charles' is not necessary and that adding only the apostrophe (Charles' car) will suffice to show possession. Consistency is the key here: if you choose not to add the -s after a noun that already ends in s, do so consistently throughout your text. William Strunk's Elements of Style recommends adding the 's. (In fact, oddly enough, it's Rule Number One in Strunk's <A href="http://www.bartleby.com/141/strunk.html#1">"Elementary Rules of Usage.") You will find that some nouns, especially proper nouns, especially when there are other -s and -z sounds involved, turn into clumsy beasts when you add another s: "That's old Mrs. Chambers's estate." In that case, you're better off with "Mrs. Chambers' estate."When I was young we did not have this facility (i.e. accessto websites). The present generation is very lucky.
Narasimhan
From United Kingdom
Hi mpads
Very good post. You have belled the cat.
I used to wonder, when i see some of our friends posting something in Hindi... in a site that has global reach for all HR and Training Professionals, is it right to post in Hindi and why they are doing it and how seniors allow this? At the same sweep when i see not so good English in many posts, i was convinced about their using Hindi (Hinglish)as a medium !!!
Anyway, you said it right. English is very important to our jobs and good communication (spoken and written) is key to effective Leadership.
Thanks for starting this thread.
Regards,
Sowmini.
From India, Madras
Very good post. You have belled the cat.
I used to wonder, when i see some of our friends posting something in Hindi... in a site that has global reach for all HR and Training Professionals, is it right to post in Hindi and why they are doing it and how seniors allow this? At the same sweep when i see not so good English in many posts, i was convinced about their using Hindi (Hinglish)as a medium !!!
Anyway, you said it right. English is very important to our jobs and good communication (spoken and written) is key to effective Leadership.
Thanks for starting this thread.
Regards,
Sowmini.
From India, Madras
Dear Padmanabhan, Thank you for a very useful posting. Please post more such on grammer, we shall try to rectify our errors. Thank you Mr Nash for the useful link :) :)
From India, Hyderabad
From India, Hyderabad
Hi Sari,
Please note nashbramhall is my email ID and Narasimhan is my name.
Here is another useful link that I have found.
PowerPoint Presentations
Have a nice weekend.
Narasimhan
From United Kingdom
Please note nashbramhall is my email ID and Narasimhan is my name.
Here is another useful link that I have found.
PowerPoint Presentations
Have a nice weekend.
Narasimhan
From United Kingdom
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