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ash.pgdm
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Dear Seniors,

I am facing a difficult problem.

I have joined a company two months back with around 300 employees.

My boss is Manager - HR , who has got 7 - 8 yrs of experience. There is shortage of manpower in the HR department. However, the management does not show keen interest in taking another competent person in the team.

Many a times, i am told to work on some vague requirements. When i ask for a JD, I feel that my boss avoids giving that to me. I am told to do mass mailing without knowing the fitment of candidates.

He keeps calling me to office on weekends without having clear idea on assignments. Also, everyday in office, I sit from 9:30 to around 8, 8: 30 (sometimes without any work). Whenever i seek approval to leave office, he ignores me and tries to give some work.

Streching is not a problem for me, but without any work, sitting late in the office does not make sense.

There are many things which need immediate attention in the organization. When i point out or try to suggest something to him, he just ignores or avoids...

I don't know what to do. I have tried talking to him, but in vain.

Please help me.

From India, Hyderabad
medha.mathur
9

hi,

i can totally correlate to this behavior as i felt the same about my boss about a year back but believe me, after what i did to solve this issue, we are now the best of friends. here's what i did -

when i realised that there is an issue with my relations with my boss, i came off clean. one day, i just went to him in the morning and said that i have something important to discuss with him (work related), so whenever he has the time, he should just let me know. so, after waiting for about half a day, he called me. i tried to make it as informal as possible so that he should not feel that it is a formal meeting of sorts, so i asked him if he would like a cup of tea or coffee and we can discuss over that (if you smoke and so does your boss, you can discuss this with him even there). i told him that i have been facing an issue and i thought its best to be transparent and communicate it - somehow, i feel that you are under the impression of me not supporting you but believe me, there is nothing of this sort. i respect your work experience and i know that i will only get to learn from you. we built our conversation on this and things became clearer. i realised that someone had told him something negative about me which was absolutely not true and he was just trying to ensure the same. i too realised that he doesn't have any personal grudges against me.

in your case, you should politely tell him that there are times when you don't have any work and you sit late in office. you don't mind working till late, but you would like to feel more involved in the system and the decisions that the HR has with the senior management. you can also tell him that by this you can learn how to handle different situations and how your boss, as senior can train you to react to different things favorably. let him know that you respect his experience and you are not wanting to surpass him in any way.

you can also tell him that every morning you can sit with him for the first half an hour and discuss the deliverables for the day and if there are some special projects that he would like you to work on, eventhough you might not have any prior experience in handling a similar project, but you are willing to learn.

in closing, what you need to do is :

to communicate what you feel politely

assure your boss that you are not planning to take his chair/position

work towards a common goal set by both together

better involvement of the entire team on goals so that results are better

discuss deliverables for the day and the objectives of the tasks discussed, so that work can be productive and result oriented.

hope this helps you like the way it helped me. i guess a lot of it depends on how open your boss is to feedback, but i think its really worth a shot since you have nothing to lose and only to gain.

all the best !

From India, Gurgaon
L.Kumar
8

Dear Sender
From your message it is not clear whether you have been authorised to implement certain things immediately in your boss's absence. If not kindly get it authorised by appropriate authority so that needful things could be done. However, please note that being at junior level, any decisions to be taken in consultation with your boss only.Regards
L.Kumar

From India, Madras
K.Ravi
54

A very common problem but no solution found till now. even i faced this prob, i tried hard but u know what my boss just loved sitting in office without doing any wrk, and fr company just 4 time pass he used to give me silly work after 5, when he knew that i was free almost half day.. i could not change him, so i changed the orgsn.
From India, Pune
ash.pgdm
2

Hi,
Thankyou all for your valuable suggestions.. I just want to say something more on this.
I am not trying to implement anything. Also, i do not get involved in his work unless i am asked. My concern is if he actually understand himself what he wants to do...
I respect him and I respect his experience too. I also know that any organization / boss cannot be always good to employees / subordinates.
But, for anything, there should be some thought process and some logic.
If i am supposed to interview candidates / schedule them for interview without actually understanding the requirement, i strongly feel that i am not doing justice to my company and myself too. This is nonsense to me.
Hoping that some (so called HR professionals) actually understand the meaning of HRM..
Now I have started feeling that what Mr. Ravi said is the only way out.
Regards

From India, Hyderabad
VR Kadam
4

Dear Ash,
I found Medha's suggestion will work for you and all others who are facing the same situation. Remember, changing the orgn is not a wise solution for these silly kind of matters. No one knows about their new boss till they face them. What if you do, if you face the similar situation in the new orgn also?
Communication helps to solve most of the issues.
This is my point of view. Think and decide.
All the Best
Regards
VR Kadam

From India, Mumbai
K.Ravi
54

well no need to feel my suggestion will work ,, even medha's suggestion can work, what I always tell in cite hr is what works for one does not necessarily works for another, there are n number of factors that need to be matched, yaar, when best practices themselves dont work the same for companies, then how can medha, or ravi help u, when u hav just explained in a paragraph, to advise u, i need to be with u , watch ur work, watch ur office environment, observe ur boss etc etc and do a full analysis.

in real world u need to do what will please your boss, so even if your bosss tells something interview candidates / schedule them for interview without actually understanding the requireent still do it, that is the only way to earn ur bread, if u go too hard on principles, u cant work in a company, u need to open ur own consultancy or do a business from my experience I say. what the HR reads while doing MBA, or other courses, dont help in real life, in real life to survive u need something else, u need contacts, and attitude to take it easy, and think boss is telling let me do it, and when u come out of office forget it all.

in HR u even dont need knowledge to survive, u need skills only. And now if u think what ur boss tells is nonsense, and tomorrow u hav bad exit, then this will affect ur resume dear, so even if ur boss speaks rubbish ,tell YES BOSS, and go on. Dont think over it too much.

From India, Pune
msaleem33
After reading your comments, I just thought to get some help from either of you related to the problem I am facing.

I am working ina company since the last 3 years and took over the position in HR as Personnel Manager in Feb 2008. We got a new HR manager in June 2008.

I have a serious problem in communication in ouir department and I fibnf a hierarchy problem as well since we do nto have an organization chart made by our HR manager and the responsibilities are divided with 2 equal rank managers.
Also after giving us a responsibility he asks the other manager to work in a different way and not to coordinaate with me and either way around.

If any thing is found not to be corect and a report is made to set right the things no action is taken and the report lies for months. later after 3-4 months he wakes up to ask on the same subject and asks the other manager to work on it.

Any implementations done by me are changed without notice and so on.

When I am handling the recrutiment, housing and other facililties. Some recruitments and housing assignments etc is done without my notice, information or records and suddenly I find 60 - 70 people have joined and living in the housing when I clarify there is no response.
I tried to be clear with my boss and also told him that if this continues then i will not take the responsibility. but he inists me to hold on to the responsibility.


jsparekh16
Hello Medha,
I feel too much involving yourselves with boss will result in flare up sometimes. You only need to show boss he is important for all important decision that you intend to take which result in his credibility.
Respecting is ok but not loose identity as performer. :icon1:
regards,
Jay Parekh

From India, Anand
dasp06
25

Dear Ravi,
In your over 2000 postings, for this one time I agree with what you said.
Yes, there is no need in the world to differ from what your Boss has to say. So, echoing what your boss say is the best way to communicate with him.
Prashant

From India, Delhi
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