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Old 19-08-2008, 07:02 PM
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Hi Indranil

First of all I believe that you have been badly hurt by your HR. I always have an opinion for HR, that in any such case, always should remain calm and try to understand the employee point and make him understand the actual policy/reason.

In your case Indranil, during notice period no leave are acceptable, but surely if you have to go for any urgent work, you could be permitted for the same, but then your notice period will be extended. To justify my statement -
1. Notice period is actually a hand over period. Further it is not only question of hand over but also you are required to finish off your present work within limited period of time and train the new person. Now think that is it possible that you be given leaves you want and again you have to finish the work as defined here above.
2. Rules are made for all and not for one person. If you have 20 leave pending, you can avail them if permitted as you stated and finish off your notice period. Is it possible in that case that you complete the work as stated in point no.1 in this case.
3. As you have point that during employment period if you are permitted leave, why not during notice period. but again here the limited time period problem arrives, whereas during employement period company has assurance that you will come down and finish off you work, but do the company have assurance that after notice period you will come and finish off your work?
4. As a good HR and company policy, a company may permit you to go for some urgent work during notice period, but then it needs to extend the notice period, as you have to finish off your work as stated in point no.1.

I believe you may have got the point and answere to your questions.

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Thanks for your response. Actually in the instant case the sanctioning authority do not have any reservation to sanction, however, he is requesting a clarification regarding admissibility vis-a-vis policy issue. Unfortunately, the service condition remains uncovered.
My immediate reaction was if the employee is otherwise eligible (suppose if he had not submitted the resignation) better to allow leave. Also in the present situation in case of resignation only 50% of EL in credit is allowed for encashment. So, also ethically it is inappropriate to disallow. I am also averse to extend the notice period as one employee has enjoyed/approached for leave for part of notice period.
However, one Sr Executive is of the opinion that the leave is not allowed during the notice period and there are case law in this respect. However, I put forth few situation defending my point,
1) The employee may ask EL/PL on medical ground in absence of sick leave. - One can argue by introducing medical check up etc.
2) The employee may ask EL/PL for dependent's treatment - the employer can not force a medical check up in this case.
3) The outgoing employee may ask for EL/PL for personal reason or most generously ask for preparatory leave prior to join new end - if the situation (1) and (2) is agreed then why we refuse in (3) case. After all, why I should put my head on such trivial matters.
Definitely, one needs to keep parity before decide.
Also refusal of post-sanction may open a new dimension regarding the service continuity of the relevant period and may create problem for post separation terminal settlement.
Summing up I mean if enjoying such leave is not a act of indiscipline or against the interest of orgn. better to grant it. Only because somebody tendered resignation does not entails the management to refuse the leave - that I believe.
I approached because I simply wanted to know existence of any such case law to check veracity of my interpretation.
Thanks again to you all.
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Old 20-08-2008, 06:41 AM
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Dear

sanjeev

In the case of resignatin my company not allowing to avails any kind of leave (PL,SL,CL) during notice period even if leave is balance. Is it legally right? if not,How?
Requesting you send me a suprime court judgement on my email



thanking you


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Old 20-08-2008, 07:06 AM
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My company not allowing any kind of leave (PL,CL,SL) during the notice period even if leave is balance, Is it legaly right? If not,how?
any jugmennt regarding this matter pl send on my email



thanking you


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Old 20-08-2008, 12:30 PM
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i would also like to receive a copy of the judgement that is being mentioned by Sanjeev Here in his post...

The only thing I want to comment on this post is, the discision of granting a leave or not will very on case to case basis. It will depend the work profile of the resignee. If the work being handled by him is so critical and there are no replacement available during the notice period then company may or may not grant/approve the leaves provided the remeneration terms are cleared with the employee.

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Old 20-08-2008, 03:02 PM
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Hi Indranil,

According to me, i usually calculate the recovery for the notice period not served, then i only adjust some of the days of recovery by EL's in his leave account, rest of the recovery he has to deposite in accounts department.

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Old 20-08-2008, 06:07 PM
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well said Mr.Sawant.. 100% agreed with you
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Old 21-08-2008, 10:54 AM
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Dear Indranil,

It all depends upon the discretion of the leave approving and sanctioning authoruty. As the employee is on notice period and will not be allowed to perform all of the important tasks while in the notice period, therefore the empployee can be allowed to take leaves amounting to 7-10 days depending upon the workload of the dept.

But the departing employee needs to be present on the last working day of his notice period.

Thanks
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If any employee during the notice period prior to resignation prefer to take Earned/Privilage leave (assume the employee have leave in the credit) can the employer refuse the same or on prorata basis can extend the notice period. Is there any case law in this regard. Also what is the prevailing industry practice during such circumstance.
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Old 21-08-2008, 12:07 PM
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Availing of leave during the notice period is basically an administrative issue rather than a legal issue. It has to be handled very carefully because the employee who is leaving after so many yrs of service should not be given such a treatment. Any amount of legal citations is not going to help us much.
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Old 21-08-2008, 01:14 PM
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hi

As per legally norms, you can not be provide Cl, EL or PL to employees but can be provide SL because you are not able to control the situation of illness.

At the time of submission Sick Leave, Medical Certificate is need availed leave 3 and more.

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Old 21-08-2008, 02:24 PM
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Hi,

Requesting you send me the supreme court judgement on my email

Thanks,
Harish S

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