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Old 02-07-2008, 02:03 PM
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Dear,

He is so luckly atleast he/She gets salary avery month. If u take a leading company like SUBHIKSHA a retail chain group. even they wont give salary's & it is too much to expect F & F. Her we cannot say when we give salary.This company started 12 to 15 Yrs back but not stream lined. God only knows. One more big joke is when a candidaties select Company will offer beautiful CTC but take home salary will be very less.For example our Manager A/c CTC is 5 Lacks But his take home is 17,548. Bonus,LTA,Varible Pay etc are more. He never received any thing since 2 yrs. Recently he left to other company. He has faced lot of problems when he is looking for a change. He has shortlisted in good companys but after seeing his offer letter avery company is to dout it is a false exerience. What we have to Say.
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Old 02-07-2008, 03:03 PM
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To Gopik

i agree with u completely.and this should be followed.

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Old 02-07-2008, 03:14 PM
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Hi All,

I agree with gopi fully. It s the responsibilty of HR to get the F&F for the resigned employees eventhough finance will have to give.

The resigned emp when gets a bad experience with the company will not talk good abt the company to others and make them think twice if any of his friends or others ask that person a opinion to join the comapny. By this there are chances that company starts lossing good candidates in future.

So eventhough if mgt s not happy or not interested with the resigned emp its the duty of the HR to explain the mgt of the impacts as HR is always a passage between the mgt & the employees.

Pl let me know if u have diff views on this.

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Priya
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Old 02-07-2008, 05:45 PM
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If the employee resigns from the services of a company, we have to settle all the amount which are eligible for him. We have to coordinate with the accounts department or finance department to settle their amount. It is primary job for HR personnel. The employees were resigned from the services due to various reasons. But remember their services which was offered by them to a company. Atleast we will try to make them happy after their resignation.

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Old 02-07-2008, 05:47 PM
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Hi Fren,
I agree with your views, but you know each and every organisation has the same policy, yes sometimes HR ops also involves in the same, because the employee,who quits can not talk to ceo cmd etc..directly,so he has to visit almost 5,8 times, I know this process as well,
Infact we
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Old 02-07-2008, 05:51 PM
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Hi Fren,
I agree with your views, but you know each and every organisation has the same policy, yes sometimes HR ops also involves in the same, because the employee,who quits can not talk to ceo cmd etc..directly,so he has to visit almost 5,8 times, I know this process as well,
Infact we never ask for leaving polcy, Just have interview qualify and they'll give u appointment letter etc.sign it and join the organisation.

I feel that every company should produce the leaving policy seprately,and even employee should ask abt the policy etc.

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Old 02-07-2008, 06:02 PM
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Dear Ravi,Hi , i was going through this session , its seems you had a bad experience with hr before , but its not always happens . Since i am a Sr. Executive Hr who is taking care of full and final and employee separation formalities . We being in HR understand the importance that when ever any employee left , he expect that his or hr clearance formalities is done smoothly . The delay happens due to so many ways .1) If the person have not paid notice period any his f& f comes as negative we wait for the gratuity amt to come from if he has completed five years or more .2) Sometimes if happens that they donot submitt the Medical Lta bills on time , we do follow up reqularly even if the employee left asking for their bills . Even if we submitt the f& f statement in accounts , they inturn have certain obligation that without proper supporting they will not process futher .3) Sometimes we do even deposit their cheques in their personal accounts.4) Sometimes the delay occured both from IT and the employees himself as at the time of leaving they do not provide the supoorting documents for calculating their IT as we also thing that in case if they provide the releavnt documents their maximum tax amount can be save.So their are lots of reasons of getting delay in their payments . But yes being in Hr we should be sentible on terms , that when any person who left the organisation should not leave on a bad note and try to smoothen the process as faster we can
Dear Freinds,

I completely agree with Lalita. HR never, purposely or intentionally, delays the F&F settlement of any one who has left the organization. There are many unavoidable reasons because of which the F&F gets delayed and Lalita has covered almost all of them. I would like to add to the discussion:
In my company we have good employee freindly policies in place. One of the separation policy is that the F&F working is first shown to the employee who has resigned and after his/her consent, the F&F is processed. One of our employee resigned 1 1/2 months back and as per his F&F working he has to repay back around Rs. 2.5 lacs to the company because of some loan availed by him from company. We have sent him the F&F working on the second day of his resignation. But he is not signing on the same and purposely delaying the payment which is to be made by him. He is getting into unnecessary correspondences with the company and above that he is accusing the company of not settling his final dues. We have no other option left but to take legal action.

I once again state that there a lot of factors due to which F&F gets delayed and HR cannot to be blamed for that.

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Old 02-07-2008, 06:19 PM
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Hi,

I completely agree with you. People leave the company for various reasons and we as HR should maintain our dignity.


Thanks,
Reema Sharma

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HI,

Its been long time for me to post article in the site even though I update many things from this.

OK Any how.........

Recently one of our employee quit the company and as per the comapny policy he is supposed to get his F&F by 21st day. Since our HR Operations in Bangalore employees have to keep in touch with the Bangalore Office. As a location incherge I followed up and got the news that employees Cheque is ready.

This week on Monday, I got a mail from the location leader of our center stating that HR is not doing thier duty which really hurt me.

After the mail again I followed up with the HRops team came to know that they would process the cheque only on that purticular day.

After this incident I updated our location leader and I expressed my unhappy about the incident.

This incident made us get in to a discussion of HR behaviour on out going employees or left employees. It seems that when an employee wants to quit the company HR would negotiate with them and try to retain them in all ways and means. But if the same employee is stuburn to quit the company, the attitude of HR turns 90* and behave very hard on them.

They are not even bother to pay them on time and are taking thier own sweet time to complete the work thinking that the employee wouldn't turn up.

I really supported his ponit, and here, try to supplement what he noded.
From my experience I have seen the same lethaginess form my executive who were not even shown any interest to close this.

GUYS when an employee gives his resignation, we do anything for them to keep them in but why are we not bother about his settlements when quits the company.

I would like to remaind you WHEN WE SPEND LOTS OF MONEY TO ATTRACT AN EMPLOYEE WHY ARE WE MAKING THEM SO UNHAPPY WHEN THEY LEAVE THE COMPANY.

I HOPE EVERY ONE IN THE FORUM ACCEPT THAT ALL LEFT EMPLOYEE ARE FUTURE PROSPECTS OF OUR COMPANY.

WHEN WE WANT CANDIDATES TO COME AND ATTEND INTERVIEW HAPPILY AND WHEN WE WANT OUR EMPLOYEES TO BE HAPPY IN THE COMPANY. WHY ARE WE NOT BOTHERED ABOUT EMPLOYEES' HAPPY EXIT.

IF AN EMPLOYEE LEAVES HAPPILY WITH HR WHAT EVER MAY BE THE REASON FOR HIS EXIT, I AM SURE HE WOULD COME BACK TO
OUR COMPNAY WITH OUT ANY SECOND THOUGTS IF HR EMPLOYEES ARE GOOD. THIS WOULD ALSO REDUCE LOT OF RECRUITMENT COST.

I KINDLY REQUEST HR TEAM TO TREAT OUTGOING EMPLOYEES WITH MORE HUMANE APPROCH.

I WELCOME COMMENTS AND SUGGESTIONS

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Old 03-07-2008, 04:22 AM
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i agree.

watever u said is absolutely write
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Old 03-07-2008, 12:55 PM
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Hi All,

Its all depends how your Managers define the ways for smooth exit of the employee. Generally mangers try to delay the process with some reason in which HR Could not do anything.

Still HR is considered as a Support function, and will continue to give support to business people. Tell me a Company where HR takes decision independently ?
Somewhere they need to get the approval from Business.

Thanks
Manish
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