Black Page of HR

sankar3 · #11 (**permalink**) 01-07-2008, 08:44 AM

hi,
i agree with u ........

thanks & regards

gowri sankar

billsmith · #12 (**permalink**) 01-07-2008, 10:11 AM

Really the session is very hot and acknowledging.
All ideas seem to be coming from deep experience and intelligence.

zafariqbal · #13 (**permalink**) 01-07-2008, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gopik

hi,

Its Been Long Time For Me To Post Article In The Site Even Though I Update Many Things From This.

Ok Any How.........

Recently One Of Our Employee Quit The Company And As Per The Comapny Policy He Is Supposed To Get His F&f By 21st Day. Since Our Hr Operations In Bangalore Employees Have To Keep In Touch With The Bangalore Office. As A Location Incherge I Followed Up And Got The News That Employees Cheque Is Ready.

This Week On Monday, I Got A Mail From The Location Leader Of Our Center Stating That Hr Is Not Doing Thier Duty Which Really Hurt Me.

After The Mail Again I Followed Up With The Hrops Team Came To Know That They Would Process The Cheque Only On That Purticular Day.

After This Incident I Updated Our Location Leader And I Expressed My Unhappy About The Incident.

This Incident Made Us Get In To A Discussion Of Hr Behaviour On Out Going Employees Or Left Employees. It Seems That When An Employee Wants To Quit The Company Hr Would Negotiate With Them And Try To Retain Them In All Ways And Means. But If The Same Employee Is Stuburn To Quit The Company, The Attitude Of Hr Turns 90* And Behave Very Hard On Them.

They Are Not Even Bother To Pay Them On Time And Are Taking Thier Own Sweet Time To Complete The Work Thinking That The Employee Wouldn't Turn Up.

I Really Supported His Ponit, And Here, Try To Supplement What He Noded.
From My Experience I Have Seen The Same Lethaginess Form My Executive Who Were Not Even Shown Any Interest To Close This.

Guys When An Employee Gives His Resignation, We Do Anything For Them To Keep Them In But Why Are We Not Bother About His Settlements When Quits The Company.

I Would Like To Remaind You When We Spend Lots Of Money To Attract An Employee Why Are We Making Them So Unhappy When They Leave The Company.

i Hope Every One In The Forum Accept That All Left Employee Are Future Prospects Of Our Company.

When We Want Candidates To Come And Attend Interview Happily And When We Want Our Employees To Be Happy In The Company. Why Are We Not Bothered About Employees' Happy Exit.

If An Employee Leaves Happily With Hr What Ever May Be The Reason For His Exit, I Am Sure He Would Come Back To
Our Compnay With Out Any Second Thougts If Hr Employees Are Good. This Would Also Reduce Lot Of Recruitment Cost.

I Kindly Request Hr Team To Treat Outgoing Employees With More Humane Approch.

I Welcome Comments And Suggestions

Gopi.k

9952414092

I Strongly Agree With You People. Left People Are Future Assets For The Company.

Nawas · #14 (**permalink**) 01-07-2008, 12:16 PM

Infact this is very good topic to discuss and the fact is once an employee resigned in an organization the mangmnt will try to screw him/her. Ofcouse its unethical & they are completly forgetting about the particular employee's contribution or long service. Trust me it happnd to me though I was senior staff in HR. The same thing I informed HR Manager never treat any employee like this, it might spoil the company reputation among the candidates, what if an employee tells to 10 people about their behaviour!! Might b managment probe but everyone points HR Dept only.

Sari · #15 (**permalink**) 01-07-2008, 12:33 PM

Hi All,

Ravi, seems like you have a very bad experience with HRs, but donot generalise all the HRs, I still have good rapport with the employees who quit, and are willing to join us back. Incase if things get delayed there is every chance of higher management's influence on this...HR is just a puppet not necessarily have all authorities..

Kalyan R · #16 (**permalink**) 01-07-2008, 12:45 PM

Hi Buddies

In the companies I worked, the leaving employees are treated fairly and the settlements are made on time as they pretty well know that "Leaving employees are the best ambassadors of the company". Hence it largely depends on the HR department that is functioning in the company. Moreover in most of the companies, in case of F&F settlements, the clearance certificate alone will be given by HR department to Finance and only from Finance Department, the F&F cheque will be sent to the resigned employee. The HR person who looks after the separation process may expedite the same by closely following it up with finance department.

To overcome this issue, we can have the feed back of ex employees on the Separation/F&F settlement processes through questionnaire by mail and take necessary corrective action.

As expressed by fellow HR fraternity, HR should take a lead role in this.

Thanks & Regards

Kalyan R

ABC · #17 (**permalink**) 01-07-2008, 01:31 PM

Hi! !

Yes! I am 100% agree with Rameshwar's view point.

Regards,

Rizwan Nawab

javajitulasi · #18 (**permalink**) 01-07-2008, 02:26 PM

Hi,

It's really good to see such an useful conversation where in every one got a new point to be added ,i do agree with archana ,but also would like to say that its not always with -HR & finance but, some times with in HR. I have seen cases with in a comapny where in if HR has a good rapo with the employee his F&F was done in time and if he is just like any other employee it took more than a month and with some cases it was actually more than 2 months. I was surprised and was unable to undersatnd why this variation? and what would a HR get by delaying the F&F settlement.One day they would also leave the org and why don't they think that their juniors would learn from them and would follow the same culture.

Guys Its not that for name sake i gave my opininon ,it really happened and I being a HR was asked by the other HR in the same dept that why is it so ?by doing so the Senior HR is not only delaying the work but also been critisised by his own dept .people.

Regards
Javaji

bhagwan_07 · #19 (**permalink**) 01-07-2008, 02:46 PM

very nice.............

Quote:

Originally Posted by gopik

HI,

Its been long time for me to post article in the site even though I update many things from this.

OK Any how.........

Recently one of our employee quit the company and as per the comapny policy he is supposed to get his F&F by 21st day. Since our HR Operations in Bangalore employees have to keep in touch with the Bangalore Office. As a location incherge I followed up and got the news that employees Cheque is ready.

This week on Monday, I got a mail from the location leader of our center stating that HR is not doing thier duty which really hurt me.

After the mail again I followed up with the HRops team came to know that they would process the cheque only on that purticular day.

After this incident I updated our location leader and I expressed my unhappy about the incident.

This incident made us get in to a discussion of HR behaviour on out going employees or left employees. It seems that when an employee wants to quit the company HR would negotiate with them and try to retain them in all ways and means. But if the same employee is stuburn to quit the company, the attitude of HR turns 90* and behave very hard on them.

They are not even bother to pay them on time and are taking thier own sweet time to complete the work thinking that the employee wouldn't turn up.

I really supported his ponit, and here, try to supplement what he noded.
From my experience I have seen the same lethaginess form my executive who were not even shown any interest to close this.

GUYS when an employee gives his resignation, we do anything for them to keep them in but why are we not bother about his settlements when quits the company.

I would like to remaind you WHEN WE SPEND LOTS OF MONEY TO ATTRACT AN EMPLOYEE WHY ARE WE MAKING THEM SO UNHAPPY WHEN THEY LEAVE THE COMPANY.

I HOPE EVERY ONE IN THE FORUM ACCEPT THAT ALL LEFT EMPLOYEE ARE FUTURE PROSPECTS OF OUR COMPANY.

WHEN WE WANT CANDIDATES TO COME AND ATTEND INTERVIEW HAPPILY AND WHEN WE WANT OUR EMPLOYEES TO BE HAPPY IN THE COMPANY. WHY ARE WE NOT BOTHERED ABOUT EMPLOYEES' HAPPY EXIT.

IF AN EMPLOYEE LEAVES HAPPILY WITH HR WHAT EVER MAY BE THE REASON FOR HIS EXIT, I AM SURE HE WOULD COME BACK TO
OUR COMPNAY WITH OUT ANY SECOND THOUGTS IF HR EMPLOYEES ARE GOOD. THIS WOULD ALSO REDUCE LOT OF RECRUITMENT COST.

I KINDLY REQUEST HR TEAM TO TREAT OUTGOING EMPLOYEES WITH MORE HUMANE APPROCH.

I WELCOME COMMENTS AND SUGGESTIONS

GOPI.K

9952414092

jayeshnnaik · #20 (**permalink**) 01-07-2008, 03:44 PM

Dear All,
Though we are HR professionals, we are also employees. And as an employee what do we expect if we leave the organization, simple.... clearance of all dues and payment on the day we leave.

Similarly, we should be sensible enough to fasten the process and ensure the the leaving employee gets all his dues (apart from PF/Gratuity etc.) on the day he leaves, or atleast within 2-3 days of his leaving.

Objectivity and fairness in the processes is the prime responsibility of HR and in any case we need to put all our efforts.

The outgoing employee should leave the organization with happiness and good response, as they would be the ambasadors of the organization they are leaving.

I remember, in one of previous employments were were even thinking to send company's quarterly news magazine to left employees' residence, so they feel proud of the oraganization they have worked, and can always spread the good things about the company.

So far as the influence of other personalities in the organization is concerned, except for some really valid techinical reasons, HR should be strong enough not to allow unwanted influence for baseless reasons.

Jayesh Naik

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